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AI is eating the world, and the vast majority of people are not paying attention. I don't know what artists, truck drivers, Uber/Lyft/taxi drivers, delivery dr

AI is eating the world, and the vast majority of people are not paying attention. I don't know what artists, truck drivers, Uber/Lyft/taxi drivers, delivery drivers, programmers, doctors, judges, fast food workers, etc. are going to do.

sh4rks 4y ago
> programmers Surely if we get to the point where programmers are no longer needed, humans have essentially been replaced by AI? Since the AI programmers could just program better and better AI?
- munchler 4y ago
  Yes, this is called “the singularity” in AI circles. Personally, I don’t think it’s imminent, but it’s certainly worth some concern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
ddalex 4y ago
Perhaps humanity would happily share the benefits of machine work and we can all spend idyllics lifes eating, laughing and loving while exploring the galaxy?
- LambdaComplex 4y ago
  Great idea! Under the current system, the rich can do just that while everyone else literally starves to death :)
  - pkaye 4y ago
    Then the rich will have no consumers.
    - ericd 4y ago
      Why do you need consumers when you have machines making most of what you want? Then you just need to be able to trade things with other people who have different machines and resources from yourself to get the bits you can't have made by your machines.
      - pkaye 4y ago
        So you are saying everyone will have those machines?
        passion__desire 4y ago
        Nope. He is saying power concentration will increase further. This is also Yuval Noah Harari's thesis. You can read about how that will get achieved here. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-noah-harari-technology-tyranny/568330/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-n...
      - astrange 4y ago
        Where do the inputs for the machines come from? ex: having a machine that generates CPUs out of sand and works for free would mean cheaper CPUs, but it would also mean a lot more employment in the sand industry, and there might not be a machine for creating sand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
        ericd 4y ago
        Large mining robots? Some dump trucks are already autonomous, I'm guessing excavators aren't far.
        astrange 4y ago
        Do they stop being autonomous when they get a flat tire?
  - astrange 4y ago
    If they’re not trading with everyone else they’re not rich. Being rich /is/ the ability to trade a lot. The idea that rich people will all leave and start a different rich-people-only economy that somehow takes all the economic activity with it isn’t how it really works, it’s the plot of Atlas Shrugged.
- jmfldn 4y ago
  Under a different economic system maybe. Have you seen how our one actually works? See the film Elysium for a more plausible future.
- EwanG 4y ago
  So "Childhood's End" without the aliens?
codegeek 4y ago
doctors ? We are a looooooong way to go before AI can replace actual doctors.
- dubitably 4y ago
  A month ago I would have said that about actual artists.
  - poopnugget 4y ago
spaceman_2020 4y ago
Really have a feeling that if you don’t build your nest egg in the next 5-10 years, its going to become incredibly hard.
- rnk 4y ago
  Why will conventional investments have value? Why will it be safe? I could be retired and well off with say even 5 or 10 million and then large numbers of people lose their jobs, yet we can still make widgets and grow and distribute food with robot everything, society will fall apart. There will be fewer people with money to support themselves or buy things. I don't see the capitalist society in the US giving people basic income, but we won't need so many workers, and so anarchy.

sh4rks 4y ago

> programmers Surely if we get to the point where programmers are no longer needed, humans have essentially been replaced by AI? Since the AI programmers could just program better and better AI?

munchler 4y ago
Yes, this is called “the singularity” in AI circles. Personally, I don’t think it’s imminent, but it’s certainly worth some concern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

ddalex 4y ago

Perhaps humanity would happily share the benefits of machine work and we can all spend idyllics lifes eating, laughing and loving while exploring the galaxy?

LambdaComplex 4y ago
Great idea! Under the current system, the rich can do just that while everyone else literally starves to death :)
- pkaye 4y ago
  Then the rich will have no consumers.
  - ericd 4y ago
    Why do you need consumers when you have machines making most of what you want? Then you just need to be able to trade things with other people who have different machines and resources from yourself to get the bits you can't have made by your machines.
    - pkaye 4y ago
      So you are saying everyone will have those machines?
      - passion__desire 4y ago
        Nope. He is saying power concentration will increase further. This is also Yuval Noah Harari's thesis. You can read about how that will get achieved here. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-noah-harari-technology-tyranny/568330/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-n...
    - astrange 4y ago
      Where do the inputs for the machines come from? ex: having a machine that generates CPUs out of sand and works for free would mean cheaper CPUs, but it would also mean a lot more employment in the sand industry, and there might not be a machine for creating sand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
      - ericd 4y ago
        Large mining robots? Some dump trucks are already autonomous, I'm guessing excavators aren't far.
        astrange 4y ago
        Do they stop being autonomous when they get a flat tire?
- astrange 4y ago
  If they’re not trading with everyone else they’re not rich. Being rich /is/ the ability to trade a lot. The idea that rich people will all leave and start a different rich-people-only economy that somehow takes all the economic activity with it isn’t how it really works, it’s the plot of Atlas Shrugged.
jmfldn 4y ago
Under a different economic system maybe. Have you seen how our one actually works? See the film Elysium for a more plausible future.
EwanG 4y ago
So "Childhood's End" without the aliens?

codegeek 4y ago

doctors ? We are a looooooong way to go before AI can replace actual doctors.

dubitably 4y ago
A month ago I would have said that about actual artists.
- poopnugget 4y ago

spaceman_2020 4y ago

Really have a feeling that if you don’t build your nest egg in the next 5-10 years, its going to become incredibly hard.

rnk 4y ago
Why will conventional investments have value? Why will it be safe? I could be retired and well off with say even 5 or 10 million and then large numbers of people lose their jobs, yet we can still make widgets and grow and distribute food with robot everything, society will fall apart. There will be fewer people with money to support themselves or buy things. I don't see the capitalist society in the US giving people basic income, but we won't need so many workers, and so anarchy.