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I stand by what I wrote. My main issue is with the Shermer, Penn, and Teller examples. The author uses those to attempt to prove a different point than the rest
by macrael 15y ago
I stand by what I wrote. My main issue is with the Shermer, Penn, and Teller examples. The author uses those to attempt to prove a different point than the rest of the article discusses, and it is a bad point. There's a difference between saying "Someone is probably a 'good' skeptic if they have said something that the mainstream disagrees with" and saying "Someone is probably a 'bad' skeptic (charlatan?) if they have said something the mainstream agrees with that I disagree with." Even if that label is only personal (as you quote, he's not trying to make everyone apply the same labels to those people) it is a bad way to apply it.
However, I also find the whole idea of a "skeptic test" a bit disquieting. Paraphrasing what you quoted above: "Don't give someone credit for being a smart, rational skeptic until they have defended some non-mainstream belief, until they have stuck their neck out to say something a little less usual." That's a bit aggressive for my taste.
- gwern 15y agoNo, the Shermer example is right on. Shermer knows he dishonestly argued against cryonics; he knows that his little frozen-strawberry example is factually incorrect (see his admission in http://web.archive.org/web/20100306205336/http://leitl.org/docs/public_html/tt/msg11904.html http://web.archive.org/web/20100306205336/http://leitl.org/d...) but still published it.