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Great start, but the idea of reliance on Github/Cloudflare is both sad and likely unnecessary. Let's make the web the web again.

by jrm4 4y ago

jibbers 4y ago
What do you recommend instead?
- masswerk 4y ago
  Less than 5 USD/EUR per month should buy you traditional web hosting ("webspace"), a domain, personal e-mail addresses and probably even database access. There are plenty of providers to choose from.
  - exodust 4y ago
    Yes agreed, and then you can go with a local web host - local to your country or city. And let's face it, cpanel or equivalent is fun to mess around with. Much more fun than github, zola and cloudfare pages! If the aim is to satisfy non-technical website builders, then the HTML files can be simply SFTP'd up to the web host. Badabing badaboom.
    - masswerk 4y ago
      Also, if you're planning to boast to HN, consider a provider without any bandwidth or data caps. :-) (With a bit of luck, this comes at no extra cost.)
- jrm4 4y ago
  See above comments on "paying a small company for hosting." I've been using hostdime for the last 15+ years for this. Of equal, if not greater, benefit has been "being able to pay someone for email." Everything works smoothly. And more importantly, you can call and talk to someone if they, or you, or in my case my father screws up something drastically.* *Somehow, and I don't know how, one day he deleted ALL, including business sensitive, of his email. ALL OF IT. I was certain we were screwed, until the company said -- well, this is drastic and you'll have to pay for it, but we could roll your entire server back a day before it happened. Uh oh, how much? Fifteen bucks. (That plus the then $5 a month, now about 20 or so, is some of the best money I've ever spent. Have no clue what gmail people would do if this happened.
  - everybodyknows 4y ago
    Data centers actually online in Mexico and Brazil only ... ? https://www.hostdime.com/cloud/ https://www.hostdime.com/cloud/
ryandrake 4y ago
I agree with this. It seemed so strange: The first half focused on doing everything from scratch and owning every line. The crash course on HTML and css was great, and the focus on it being a static site, hand-built in a text editor. Then, when it came to deployment, it was a 180 degree turn: Let's forget the details and rely on modern, magical black boxes like GitHub and Cloudflare! The opposite of owning your own destiny. Kind of jarring. To be more in line with the first half of the article, I would have expected the author walk through registering a domain name, pointing it at your computer's IP address (or your VPS), getting an SSL certificate, configuring web server software on that computer, and so on.

Great start, but the idea of reliance on Github/Cloudflare is both sad and likely unnecessary. Let's make the web the web again.

by jrm4 4y ago

Great start, but the idea of reliance on Github/Cloudflare is both sad and likely unnecessary. Let's make the web the web again.

jibbers 4y ago

What do you recommend instead?

masswerk 4y ago
Less than 5 USD/EUR per month should buy you traditional web hosting ("webspace"), a domain, personal e-mail addresses and probably even database access. There are plenty of providers to choose from.
- exodust 4y ago
  Yes agreed, and then you can go with a local web host - local to your country or city. And let's face it, cpanel or equivalent is fun to mess around with. Much more fun than github, zola and cloudfare pages! If the aim is to satisfy non-technical website builders, then the HTML files can be simply SFTP'd up to the web host. Badabing badaboom.
  - masswerk 4y ago
    Also, if you're planning to boast to HN, consider a provider without any bandwidth or data caps. :-) (With a bit of luck, this comes at no extra cost.)
jrm4 4y ago
See above comments on "paying a small company for hosting." I've been using hostdime for the last 15+ years for this. Of equal, if not greater, benefit has been "being able to pay someone for email." Everything works smoothly. And more importantly, you can call and talk to someone if they, or you, or in my case my father screws up something drastically.* *Somehow, and I don't know how, one day he deleted ALL, including business sensitive, of his email. ALL OF IT. I was certain we were screwed, until the company said -- well, this is drastic and you'll have to pay for it, but we could roll your entire server back a day before it happened. Uh oh, how much? Fifteen bucks. (That plus the then $5 a month, now about 20 or so, is some of the best money I've ever spent. Have no clue what gmail people would do if this happened.
- everybodyknows 4y ago
  Data centers actually online in Mexico and Brazil only ... ? https://www.hostdime.com/cloud/ https://www.hostdime.com/cloud/

ryandrake 4y ago

I agree with this. It seemed so strange: The first half focused on doing everything from scratch and owning every line. The crash course on HTML and css was great, and the focus on it being a static site, hand-built in a text editor. Then, when it came to deployment, it was a 180 degree turn: Let's forget the details and rely on modern, magical black boxes like GitHub and Cloudflare! The opposite of owning your own destiny. Kind of jarring. To be more in line with the first half of the article, I would have expected the author walk through registering a domain name, pointing it at your computer's IP address (or your VPS), getting an SSL certificate, configuring web server software on that computer, and so on.