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> Terraform was written by a sysadmin I’m with you on most of your post, but this is straight up wrong.

by jen20 4y ago

dijit 4y ago
The original author of terraform (Mitchel Hashimoto) was not an Operations Engineer before writing Terraform? https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellh/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellh/ Or are you saying that he's not the author? Commits seem to suggest otherwise. commit fb9c58f0e20a85a5358142ddb39a2f74d3bbe69b Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Fri May 23 11:03:38 2014 -0700 config: better error message commit 089822a36f0a5e4c583ab401b7496b48bfa31d65 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Fri May 23 10:52:19 2014 -0700 config: some comments commit ec3f72703c82f50787ef86498d856a5798900ad8 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Thu May 22 16:56:28 2014 -0700 Initial work on config commit 649cf336e86da10910f6e50ea3cfaad507a2e336 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Wed May 21 16:28:53 2014 -0700 Initial commit
- arinlen 4y ago
  > (...) an Operations Engineer (...) An operations engineer and a sysadmin are two entirely different roles. A system administrator administers systems while an operations engineer dedicated their time writing code to automate processes.
  - dijit 4y ago
    You're conflating an IT Technician and a Sysadmin. Sysadmins automate their work. Operations Engineer is just another title for sysadmin. Systems Engineer is also another title for the same thing. Platform Engineering (depending on where you are) is yet another variation. If you're responsible for the operating system, monitoring, clustering, hardware etc; then you're firmly in "sysadmin" land.
    - boltzmann-brain 4y ago
      This whole string of conversation is some of the most horrendous navel gazing I've had in my comments for a while.
      - dijit 4y ago
        Welcome to Hackernews. Pedantry is requisite.
    - arinlen 4y ago
      > Sysadmins automate their work. So do janitors. What's your point? > Operations Engineer is just another title for sysadmin. It really isn't. That makes as much sense as claiming that DevOps is just a sysadmin that's also a developer.
      - icedchai 4y ago
        Job titles are mostly meaningless when comparing across organizations (and often within organizations, when they are large enough.) Many "operations engineers" are actually sysadmins. Many "devops" are really sysadmins also doing development.
- jen20 4y ago
  Per my understanding (as one of the earliest contributors to Terraform and employees of HashiCorp) that indeed he was a developer with an interest in operations, not a sysadmin. Mostly consulting work for rails.

> Terraform was written by a sysadmin I’m with you on most of your post, but this is straight up wrong.

by jen20 4y ago

> Terraform was written by a sysadmin I’m with you on most of your post, but this is straight up wrong.

The original author of terraform (Mitchel Hashimoto) was not an Operations Engineer before writing Terraform? https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellh/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellh/ Or are you saying that he's not the author? Commits seem to suggest otherwise. commit fb9c58f0e20a85a5358142ddb39a2f74d3bbe69b Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Fri May 23 11:03:38 2014 -0700 config: better error message commit 089822a36f0a5e4c583ab401b7496b48bfa31d65 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Fri May 23 10:52:19 2014 -0700 config: some comments commit ec3f72703c82f50787ef86498d856a5798900ad8 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Thu May 22 16:56:28 2014 -0700 Initial work on config commit 649cf336e86da10910f6e50ea3cfaad507a2e336 Author: Mitchell Hashimoto <mitchell.hashimoto@gmail.com> Date: Wed May 21 16:28:53 2014 -0700 Initial commit

arinlen 4y ago
> (...) an Operations Engineer (...) An operations engineer and a sysadmin are two entirely different roles. A system administrator administers systems while an operations engineer dedicated their time writing code to automate processes.
- dijit 4y ago
  You're conflating an IT Technician and a Sysadmin. Sysadmins automate their work. Operations Engineer is just another title for sysadmin. Systems Engineer is also another title for the same thing. Platform Engineering (depending on where you are) is yet another variation. If you're responsible for the operating system, monitoring, clustering, hardware etc; then you're firmly in "sysadmin" land.
  - boltzmann-brain 4y ago
    This whole string of conversation is some of the most horrendous navel gazing I've had in my comments for a while.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Welcome to Hackernews. Pedantry is requisite.
  - arinlen 4y ago
    > Sysadmins automate their work. So do janitors. What's your point? > Operations Engineer is just another title for sysadmin. It really isn't. That makes as much sense as claiming that DevOps is just a sysadmin that's also a developer.
    - icedchai 4y ago
      Job titles are mostly meaningless when comparing across organizations (and often within organizations, when they are large enough.) Many "operations engineers" are actually sysadmins. Many "devops" are really sysadmins also doing development.
jen20 4y ago
Per my understanding (as one of the earliest contributors to Terraform and employees of HashiCorp) that indeed he was a developer with an interest in operations, not a sysadmin. Mostly consulting work for rails.