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Brandon's Prophecy: https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005 https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-say

by Proven 4y ago

Brandon's Prophecy: https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005 https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-... Had to be done in the case anyone thought to ask for negotiations or plan to muddle through the winter with heater set to 19C.

f1shy 4y ago
I do not understand how damaging the pipeline would benefit the US.
- bombcar 4y ago
  The argument is that it prevents Germany from making a deal with Russia once the freezing winter sets in.
  - cdot2 4y ago
    It also limit's Russia's ability to profit from selling their gas to the EU and may benefit US energy companies by raising prices.
- lm28469 4y ago
  Preventing Germany from negotiating a new deal in winter when they're out of cheap gas Making sure Europe will buy more of their fracking LPG Making it harder to secure a diplomatic end to the war (selling more weapons, strengthening their position in europe, &c.) Some other long term shenanigans that will be declassified in 50 years It wouldn't be the firs time the US does something shady, I'm not saying it's them but I would absolutely not be surprised if it was, I would also not be surprised if it was Russia even though it sounds equally dumb https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/eu-us_lng_trade_folder.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/eu-us_lng_trade... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-europe-track-surpass-biden-promise-2022-07-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-europ... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-wikileaks-idUSKBN0P32EM20150623 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-wikileaks-idUSKBN0...
  - dilap 4y ago
    Don't forget stealing Europe's industrial base! https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-natural-gas-prices-push-european-manufacturers-to-shift-to-the-u-s-11663707594 https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-natural-gas-prices-push-eu... Honestly as evil as it is, for once the US foreign meddling seems to make sense from a purely strategic standpoint. (By contrast, not sure what Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc gained us (unless you happened to be a military contractor or weapons manufacturer).)
    - lm28469 4y ago
      > By contrast, not sure what Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc gained us (unless you happened to be a military contractor or weapons manufacturer Pretty sure it's a big point, gotta keep the war machine running
    - hacknat 4y ago
      Iraq made some sense if you see it as a war to make sure no major energy-capital flows went through the Euro (Iraq started selling their oil in Euros in the late 90s). The US war machine wants to go to war with everyone, from time to time American economic interests lets them.
      - dilap 4y ago
        Ah, interesting, thx!
    - SanjayMehta 4y ago
      Iraq: Saddam wanted to move to the Euro for his oil trade. Libya: Gaddhafi wanted to move to a gold backed African Lira. Afghanistan was initially due to 9/11 and then became a weapons testing ground. Syria: "We're keeping the oil." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-considered-war-crime/story?id=66589757 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-cons...
  - kibwen 4y ago
    None of these points make any sense to me. For as long as the war goes on, Germany will buy as much US gas as it can get its hands on, to the exclusion of Russian gas, as best it can and regardless of price. US energy companies aren't going to benefit more. Furthermore, say what you will about Biden, but his gradual approach to sanctions at the beginning of the war shows that he's been trying to end things diplomatically from the start. Go back and read news articles from March about the war hawks in Congress shrieking that Biden wasn't being aggressive enough. See also the withdrawal from Afghanistan; Biden's not a hawk. Furthermore, right now the US's premier geopolitical goal is to assert its hegemony via weakening Russia. For that, it needs NATO solidarity, which is at an all-time high. A weakened German resolve due to freezing weather would threaten to enrich Russia, but would not otherwise break NATO's resolve; the rest of the sanctions would continue unabated. After all, Germany has still already been buying gas from Russia all this time. But backstabbing an ally would shake NATO's resolve, if it were discovered. It's all downside and no upside for the US. It would be an irrational desperation move, and the US is not currently desperate. I don't know who did this. Weirdly, I don't think it was Russia either; Putin may be acting erratically, but I think there would be ways to sow discord among NATO with less cost to Russia than this. We need more information.
- hacknat 4y ago
  It locks Germany into its geopolitical position.
  - pishpash 4y ago
    Germany's fucked, been trying to get an independent strategic position for 100+ years and continually sabotaged by Anglo-Saxons.
    - hacknat 4y ago
      Germany screwed itself by ending natural gas exploration and shutting down its nuclear plants. They’re about to burn more coal and wood this year than they have in years.
- rtwrtwer54 4y ago
  It is one straight benefit: now UE hasn't any other option but to relay on US + allies, to be gas providers. This was not the case with Nordstream 1 + 2 in operational state. Again, US + allies as much as the russian folks, aren't playing any games, this is war for resources (the whole bunch of gas under south Ukraine), you have to win, there's no other acceptable outcome.
f1shy 4y ago
I find interesting how inside this post, opinions not supporting the hypothesis of USA behind the sabotage are being systematically voted negative... Impressive how one way of thinking and acting go together... and yes, this of course will be downvoted... why try to understand others points of view? Better silent them!

by Proven 4y ago

f1shy 4y ago

I do not understand how damaging the pipeline would benefit the US.

bombcar 4y ago
The argument is that it prevents Germany from making a deal with Russia once the freezing winter sets in.
- cdot2 4y ago
  It also limit's Russia's ability to profit from selling their gas to the EU and may benefit US energy companies by raising prices.
lm28469 4y ago
Preventing Germany from negotiating a new deal in winter when they're out of cheap gas Making sure Europe will buy more of their fracking LPG Making it harder to secure a diplomatic end to the war (selling more weapons, strengthening their position in europe, &c.) Some other long term shenanigans that will be declassified in 50 years It wouldn't be the firs time the US does something shady, I'm not saying it's them but I would absolutely not be surprised if it was, I would also not be surprised if it was Russia even though it sounds equally dumb https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/eu-us_lng_trade_folder.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/eu-us_lng_trade... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-europe-track-surpass-biden-promise-2022-07-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-europ... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-wikileaks-idUSKBN0P32EM20150623 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-wikileaks-idUSKBN0...
- dilap 4y ago
  Don't forget stealing Europe's industrial base! https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-natural-gas-prices-push-european-manufacturers-to-shift-to-the-u-s-11663707594 https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-natural-gas-prices-push-eu... Honestly as evil as it is, for once the US foreign meddling seems to make sense from a purely strategic standpoint. (By contrast, not sure what Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc gained us (unless you happened to be a military contractor or weapons manufacturer).)
  - lm28469 4y ago
    > By contrast, not sure what Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc gained us (unless you happened to be a military contractor or weapons manufacturer Pretty sure it's a big point, gotta keep the war machine running
  - hacknat 4y ago
    Iraq made some sense if you see it as a war to make sure no major energy-capital flows went through the Euro (Iraq started selling their oil in Euros in the late 90s). The US war machine wants to go to war with everyone, from time to time American economic interests lets them.
    - dilap 4y ago
      Ah, interesting, thx!
  - SanjayMehta 4y ago
    Iraq: Saddam wanted to move to the Euro for his oil trade. Libya: Gaddhafi wanted to move to a gold backed African Lira. Afghanistan was initially due to 9/11 and then became a weapons testing ground. Syria: "We're keeping the oil." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-considered-war-crime/story?id=66589757 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-cons...
- kibwen 4y ago
  None of these points make any sense to me. For as long as the war goes on, Germany will buy as much US gas as it can get its hands on, to the exclusion of Russian gas, as best it can and regardless of price. US energy companies aren't going to benefit more. Furthermore, say what you will about Biden, but his gradual approach to sanctions at the beginning of the war shows that he's been trying to end things diplomatically from the start. Go back and read news articles from March about the war hawks in Congress shrieking that Biden wasn't being aggressive enough. See also the withdrawal from Afghanistan; Biden's not a hawk. Furthermore, right now the US's premier geopolitical goal is to assert its hegemony via weakening Russia. For that, it needs NATO solidarity, which is at an all-time high. A weakened German resolve due to freezing weather would threaten to enrich Russia, but would not otherwise break NATO's resolve; the rest of the sanctions would continue unabated. After all, Germany has still already been buying gas from Russia all this time. But backstabbing an ally would shake NATO's resolve, if it were discovered. It's all downside and no upside for the US. It would be an irrational desperation move, and the US is not currently desperate. I don't know who did this. Weirdly, I don't think it was Russia either; Putin may be acting erratically, but I think there would be ways to sow discord among NATO with less cost to Russia than this. We need more information.
hacknat 4y ago
It locks Germany into its geopolitical position.
- pishpash 4y ago
  Germany's fucked, been trying to get an independent strategic position for 100+ years and continually sabotaged by Anglo-Saxons.
  - hacknat 4y ago
    Germany screwed itself by ending natural gas exploration and shutting down its nuclear plants. They’re about to burn more coal and wood this year than they have in years.
rtwrtwer54 4y ago
It is one straight benefit: now UE hasn't any other option but to relay on US + allies, to be gas providers. This was not the case with Nordstream 1 + 2 in operational state. Again, US + allies as much as the russian folks, aren't playing any games, this is war for resources (the whole bunch of gas under south Ukraine), you have to win, there's no other acceptable outcome.

f1shy 4y ago

I find interesting how inside this post, opinions not supporting the hypothesis of USA behind the sabotage are being systematically voted negative... Impressive how one way of thinking and acting go together... and yes, this of course will be downvoted... why try to understand others points of view? Better silent them!