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I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by wester

I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by western conspiracy theories vs. actual deliberate bombing of cities (and civilians) in scale. Be aware there's full blown propaganda on both sides.

tempestn 4y ago
Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.
- anticodon 4y ago
detaro 4y ago
Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?
DonHopkins 4y ago
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- ptidhomme 4y ago
  Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative. War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ? Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality. "You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.
  - tempestn 4y ago
    Your position is ludicrous. Russia invaded Ukraine. They are clearly at war with Ukraine. There is no valid historical or political justification for this. You're absolutely right that war doesn't just happen. Putin made a conscious choice to invade a neighboring country, and one with which you'd had close ties at that, leading to all of this suffering and needless death. The only thing that isn't obvious here is whether you believe what you're saying or are intentionally spreading nonsense.
    - ptidhomme 4y ago
      There is no valid historical or political justification for this Why so ? Don't be so lazy.

tempestn 4y ago

Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.

anticodon 4y ago

detaro 4y ago

Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?

DonHopkins 4y ago

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ptidhomme 4y ago
Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative. War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ? Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality. "You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.
- tempestn 4y ago
  Your position is ludicrous. Russia invaded Ukraine. They are clearly at war with Ukraine. There is no valid historical or political justification for this. You're absolutely right that war doesn't just happen. Putin made a conscious choice to invade a neighboring country, and one with which you'd had close ties at that, leading to all of this suffering and needless death. The only thing that isn't obvious here is whether you believe what you're saying or are intentionally spreading nonsense.
  - ptidhomme 4y ago
    There is no valid historical or political justification for this Why so ? Don't be so lazy.