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> "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities or cut the Ukranian gas pipeline (which is the only source of reliable income for Ukraine for all 30 years of its e

> "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities or cut the Ukranian gas pipeline (which is the only source of reliable income for Ukraine for all 30 years of its existence)." This simple fact, and what it tells about what Ukraine means to Russia, never gets to western ears for some reason.

DonHopkins 4y ago
Then please explain how it is that the indisputable fact that Putin IS bombing Ukrainian cities never got to your ears? Is your indefensible conspiracy theory that these are all deep faked videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7QFJYv_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7QFJYv_k >Ukrainian cities bombed: Russian strikes spread from east to west >Russian strikes hit the capital, Kyiv, and Kharkiv and Kramatorsk in the east, causing deaths, Ukrainian officials say. Missiles destroy an aircraft repair plant near the airport in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, Mayor Andriy Sadovy says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4 >Russia accused of using cluster bombs as fighting rages in Ukraine’s cities - BBC News >Heavy fighting has taken place in several cities across Ukraine. >Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, has seen some of the fiercest battles with Russian forces accused of using cluster munitions. Many civilians are reported to have been killed. >Thousands more people have been trying to flee the country, adding to a growing refugee crisis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuoo3wm69U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuoo3wm69U >Russia continues to shell newly-liberated city after Ukraine's counter-offensive – BBC News >Ukraine's counter-offensive in the northern Kharkiv region has put the Kremlin on the back foot, Western analysts and politicians have said. >This is said to explain President Vladimir Putin's mobilisation announcement, which could see 300,000 Russian’s summoned to serve in the war. >The Ukrainian military is now trying to consolidate those recent gains. >However, the city of Kupiansk, which was recently taken back from the Russians, is still coming under attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgiVwRLx-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgiVwRLx-g >Russia intensifies bombardment of Ukrainian cities >Russian forces are setting their sights on the capital city of Kyiv, advancing to the doorstep of the city. Satellite images show Russian artillery bombarding Kyiv as fierce fighting continues in many other parts of the country. Cities in eastern and southern Ukraine are under a sustained Russian onslaught. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-isnt-naive-zelenskiy-says-after-russia-pledges-scale-down-attack-kyiv-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-isnt-naive-zele... >Russia bombs Ukraine cities, despite pledge to pull back from Kyiv >MALA ROHAN/NEAR IRPIN, Ukraine, March 30 (Reuters) - Russian forces bombarded the outskirts of Kyiv and a besieged city in northern Ukraine on Wednesday after promising to reduce attacks there in what the West dismissed as a ploy by Moscow to stem its heavy losses and regroup for other offensives. https://www.ft.com/content/e51014c3-0b97-4a3d-8a19-bc49b3ccd042 https://www.ft.com/content/e51014c3-0b97-4a3d-8a19-bc49b3ccd... Russia steps up bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities >Vladimir Putin’s forces adopt more aggressive tactics in bid to regain momentum on sixth day of invasion >Russia stepped up its bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities, firing missiles on targets in populated areas as Vladimir Putin’s forces turned to more brutal military tactics in a bid to regain momentum on the sixth day of the invasion. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-widens-attack-with-airstrikes-on-western-ukraine-cities https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-widens-... >Russia widens attack with airstrikes on western Ukraine cities >Airfields far from the main areas of war hit, while convoy near Kyiv seems to have dispersed into firing positions
- ptidhomme 4y ago
  I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by western conspiracy theories vs. actual deliberate bombing of cities (and civilians) in scale. Be aware there's full blown propaganda on both sides.
  - tempestn 4y ago
    Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.
    - anticodon 4y ago
  - detaro 4y ago
    Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - ptidhomme 4y ago
      Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative. War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ? Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality. "You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.
seba_dos1 4y ago
It's also demonstrably false, which may be part of the reason.
DonHopkins 4y ago
- ptidhomme 4y ago
  So you're entitled to speak for "everyone" ? Sorry to have confronted your bigoted certainties.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Well you're speaking for Putin, and he's convinced absolutely nobody he didn't bomb Ukrainian cities, not even you or anticodon, who don't even believe the lies and propaganda you're spreading with your own words. But it's a living, being complicit with war crimes, huh? Too bad Putin destroyed your country's economy so terribly you can't find better work than being a trolling lying keyboard warrior. Maybe if you got into better shape you could drive a tank.
    - ptidhomme 4y ago
      I'm French by the way. Incidentally the US has bombed my country well beyond what was justifiable. So you know, I fear much more the US's mad leaders than Putin. Good day
      - DonHopkins 4y ago
        Since you claim "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities" is a "simple fact" that "never gets to western ears for some reason", you admit you don't believe Putin has bombed Ukranian cities. What is your proof of your belief in that lie that's contradicted by so much evidence? Since you're so concerned that proof Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities never gets to Western ears, then speak up now and show us the facts that proved to you all those videos and eyewitness accounts we've all seen are fake, so it finally does get to Western ears. Or do you just believe the lie that Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities without any proof, just like how you believe all of your baseless Covid-19 conspiracy theories that you spread?

DonHopkins 4y ago

Then please explain how it is that the indisputable fact that Putin IS bombing Ukrainian cities never got to your ears? Is your indefensible conspiracy theory that these are all deep faked videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7QFJYv_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7QFJYv_k >Ukrainian cities bombed: Russian strikes spread from east to west >Russian strikes hit the capital, Kyiv, and Kharkiv and Kramatorsk in the east, causing deaths, Ukrainian officials say. Missiles destroy an aircraft repair plant near the airport in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, Mayor Andriy Sadovy says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4 >Russia accused of using cluster bombs as fighting rages in Ukraine’s cities - BBC News >Heavy fighting has taken place in several cities across Ukraine. >Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, has seen some of the fiercest battles with Russian forces accused of using cluster munitions. Many civilians are reported to have been killed. >Thousands more people have been trying to flee the country, adding to a growing refugee crisis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuoo3wm69U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuoo3wm69U >Russia continues to shell newly-liberated city after Ukraine's counter-offensive – BBC News >Ukraine's counter-offensive in the northern Kharkiv region has put the Kremlin on the back foot, Western analysts and politicians have said. >This is said to explain President Vladimir Putin's mobilisation announcement, which could see 300,000 Russian’s summoned to serve in the war. >The Ukrainian military is now trying to consolidate those recent gains. >However, the city of Kupiansk, which was recently taken back from the Russians, is still coming under attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgiVwRLx-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgiVwRLx-g >Russia intensifies bombardment of Ukrainian cities >Russian forces are setting their sights on the capital city of Kyiv, advancing to the doorstep of the city. Satellite images show Russian artillery bombarding Kyiv as fierce fighting continues in many other parts of the country. Cities in eastern and southern Ukraine are under a sustained Russian onslaught. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-isnt-naive-zelenskiy-says-after-russia-pledges-scale-down-attack-kyiv-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-isnt-naive-zele... >Russia bombs Ukraine cities, despite pledge to pull back from Kyiv >MALA ROHAN/NEAR IRPIN, Ukraine, March 30 (Reuters) - Russian forces bombarded the outskirts of Kyiv and a besieged city in northern Ukraine on Wednesday after promising to reduce attacks there in what the West dismissed as a ploy by Moscow to stem its heavy losses and regroup for other offensives. https://www.ft.com/content/e51014c3-0b97-4a3d-8a19-bc49b3ccd042 https://www.ft.com/content/e51014c3-0b97-4a3d-8a19-bc49b3ccd... Russia steps up bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities >Vladimir Putin’s forces adopt more aggressive tactics in bid to regain momentum on sixth day of invasion >Russia stepped up its bombardment of Ukraine’s biggest cities, firing missiles on targets in populated areas as Vladimir Putin’s forces turned to more brutal military tactics in a bid to regain momentum on the sixth day of the invasion. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-widens-attack-with-airstrikes-on-western-ukraine-cities https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-widens-... >Russia widens attack with airstrikes on western Ukraine cities >Airfields far from the main areas of war hit, while convoy near Kyiv seems to have dispersed into firing positions

ptidhomme 4y ago
I'm not sure you understand the difference between targeted bombing of infrastructure (that have civilian casualties I'm not denying) highly amplified by western conspiracy theories vs. actual deliberate bombing of cities (and civilians) in scale. Be aware there's full blown propaganda on both sides.
- tempestn 4y ago
  Even if one were to grant that Russia is not nearly-indiscriminately shelling Ukrainian cities (which I don't), there is no justification for them to be attacking the country at all, targeted or otherwise. Whatever Putin might say, and notwithstanding ludicrous sham elections in occupied regions, Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratically elected government, and not a part of Russia to be liberated.
  - anticodon 4y ago
- detaro 4y ago
  Infrastructure like "shopping centres"?
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - ptidhomme 4y ago
    Well you seem to spread simple minded technical arguments with no historical nor political depth whatsoever (nevermind acknowledge what the US is doing behind the scenes), which is essentially textbook Western narrative. War is war, deaths are deaths, but they do not come just like that. There's tension that builds up with time and what has the US done to ease that tension ? Russia is saying plainly and repeatedly that they're not at war with Ukraine but with the US/NATO. Let's face reality. "You're a propagandist while I'm not" is quite laughable I'm afraid.

seba_dos1 4y ago

It's also demonstrably false, which may be part of the reason.

DonHopkins 4y ago

ptidhomme 4y ago
So you're entitled to speak for "everyone" ? Sorry to have confronted your bigoted certainties.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Well you're speaking for Putin, and he's convinced absolutely nobody he didn't bomb Ukrainian cities, not even you or anticodon, who don't even believe the lies and propaganda you're spreading with your own words. But it's a living, being complicit with war crimes, huh? Too bad Putin destroyed your country's economy so terribly you can't find better work than being a trolling lying keyboard warrior. Maybe if you got into better shape you could drive a tank.
  - ptidhomme 4y ago
    I'm French by the way. Incidentally the US has bombed my country well beyond what was justifiable. So you know, I fear much more the US's mad leaders than Putin. Good day
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      Since you claim "This is why we don't bomb Ukranian cities" is a "simple fact" that "never gets to western ears for some reason", you admit you don't believe Putin has bombed Ukranian cities. What is your proof of your belief in that lie that's contradicted by so much evidence? Since you're so concerned that proof Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities never gets to Western ears, then speak up now and show us the facts that proved to you all those videos and eyewitness accounts we've all seen are fake, so it finally does get to Western ears. Or do you just believe the lie that Putin doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities without any proof, just like how you believe all of your baseless Covid-19 conspiracy theories that you spread?