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But Netflix only allows 720p on computers because of this. So there's that...

norman784 4y ago
I thought that 720p was a linux limit, AFAIK on macOS and windows at least you get 1080p, but sucks that you can't watch in your fully capable hardware in a good quality. Amazon does the same.
- gerdesj 4y ago
  Not on my gear (all Linux). Also, what do you think Android is?
- tpxl 4y ago
  720p is non-widewine-DRM limit afaik. Free as in freedom distros don't have proprietary DRM that would allow you to watch more than 720p by default, but you can install the proprietary blobs and get higher resolutions.
  - easrng 4y ago
    You need widevine to play Netflix at all, and widevine is always proprietary. It has a few modes though, L3 is software only (easier to crack) and it's commonly limited to lower resolutions. L1 uses hardware to decrypt and will only output video over encrypted connections (like HDCP). Since L1 is harder to crack you need it to get the full resolution. I don't think there's any implementation of L1 for Linux other than for android and probably some custom embedded ports. There's also L2 but idk what that does.
    - Mindwipe 4y ago
      > You need widevine to play Netflix at all No you don't. Safari doesn't support Widevine at all for example.
      - easrng 4y ago
        Oh right, I forgot about FairPlay and PlayReady. They exist too, and you need some DRM system to watch Netflix regardlesss.
sgtfrankieboy 4y ago
Incorrect. I can watch 4K on my PC just fine using Edge or the Windows App, you also get 4K with Safari. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
- 867-5309 4y ago
  that's interesting. I wonder how Netflix detects that. would it be as simple as using an Edge user agent, or more complex using the Edge browser engine with embedded DRM keys
  - easrng 4y ago
    Edge supports Microsoft's PlayReady DRM and Safari supports Apple's FairPlay DRM, both of which are stronger than Widevine.
    - 867-5309 4y ago
      are each of those tied to their implementors? or can they be used on any supported OS and hardware like widevine can?
      - Mindwipe 4y ago
        All of them have varying levels of secure implementation, and services will usually only send high resolution content to devices that can demonstrate (with signed keys) the more secure options. Including Widevine. Widevine Level 3 is a software based solution that can be used on a variety of platforms, but the space for Widevine Level 1 requires OS and hardware integration (which doesn't include Windows for example, but is available for Android if the OEM does the requisite work).
        867-5309 4y ago
        it's a shame. really don't understand the thinking behind it. it's easy for them to detect and ban shared accounts, but it's also easy enough to rip a decrypted stream, even if it is only at 1x rate. not sure why they bother. I suppose their recompense for piracy comes from those manufacturers willing to pay them for signed keys in exchange for hassle-free compatibility

I thought that 720p was a linux limit, AFAIK on macOS and windows at least you get 1080p, but sucks that you can't watch in your fully capable hardware in a good quality. Amazon does the same.

gerdesj 4y ago
Not on my gear (all Linux). Also, what do you think Android is?
tpxl 4y ago
720p is non-widewine-DRM limit afaik. Free as in freedom distros don't have proprietary DRM that would allow you to watch more than 720p by default, but you can install the proprietary blobs and get higher resolutions.
- easrng 4y ago
  You need widevine to play Netflix at all, and widevine is always proprietary. It has a few modes though, L3 is software only (easier to crack) and it's commonly limited to lower resolutions. L1 uses hardware to decrypt and will only output video over encrypted connections (like HDCP). Since L1 is harder to crack you need it to get the full resolution. I don't think there's any implementation of L1 for Linux other than for android and probably some custom embedded ports. There's also L2 but idk what that does.
  - Mindwipe 4y ago
    > You need widevine to play Netflix at all No you don't. Safari doesn't support Widevine at all for example.
    - easrng 4y ago
      Oh right, I forgot about FairPlay and PlayReady. They exist too, and you need some DRM system to watch Netflix regardlesss.

sgtfrankieboy 4y ago

Incorrect. I can watch 4K on my PC just fine using Edge or the Windows App, you also get 4K with Safari. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

867-5309 4y ago
that's interesting. I wonder how Netflix detects that. would it be as simple as using an Edge user agent, or more complex using the Edge browser engine with embedded DRM keys
- easrng 4y ago
  Edge supports Microsoft's PlayReady DRM and Safari supports Apple's FairPlay DRM, both of which are stronger than Widevine.
  - 867-5309 4y ago
    are each of those tied to their implementors? or can they be used on any supported OS and hardware like widevine can?
    - Mindwipe 4y ago
      All of them have varying levels of secure implementation, and services will usually only send high resolution content to devices that can demonstrate (with signed keys) the more secure options. Including Widevine. Widevine Level 3 is a software based solution that can be used on a variety of platforms, but the space for Widevine Level 1 requires OS and hardware integration (which doesn't include Windows for example, but is available for Android if the OEM does the requisite work).
      - 867-5309 4y ago
        it's a shame. really don't understand the thinking behind it. it's easy for them to detect and ban shared accounts, but it's also easy enough to rip a decrypted stream, even if it is only at 1x rate. not sure why they bother. I suppose their recompense for piracy comes from those manufacturers willing to pay them for signed keys in exchange for hassle-free compatibility