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Meta isn't some utility people can't live without. It's optional. If you're worried about abuse, then don't use it.

yibg 4y ago
Doesn't meta have an obligation to product users that do want to use their product? This is like saying people should be free to pee wherever they want, if you're worried about the smell, don't walk there.
- chaostheory 4y ago
  Actually, the pee analogy fits better with your argument. You’re arguing that people can siphon electricity and use meta’s servers without paying (via ads). As I’ve already mentioned, meta isn’t a utility that people can’t live without like a phone. If they don’t like it, they should use something else. There are many alternatives
jjav 4y ago
> Meta isn't some utility people can't live without. This is not true for large parts of society. There are many institutions which force you to communicate via facebook, so not having access to it means you're locked out of parts of your real life. This is horribly wrong by those institutions, of course, but here we are. It should be illegal, but isn't yet.
- chaostheory 4y ago
  Which institutions? if it affected “a large part of society”, I would imagine that I would be aware of it.
  - jjav 4y ago
    Schools tend to be worst offenders, clubs, companies (heard of at least one company which only honors warranty support via facebook!).
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      Ask them to use something else, or get an exception by explaining that you were banned. It isn’t endemic and there are always options. After the Cambridge analytica scandal, Facebook no longer has unbreakable mindshare. This is especially true the younger the generation
      - lightspot21 4y ago
        >Ask them to use something else, or get an exception by explaining that you were banned. It isn’t endemic and there are always options Good luck if it's a business or public org. Why change their process for what amounts to a minority of customers? It's not worth the cost. Whether these people can't do business with them despite these services being essential to everyday life... well tough luck for them I guess? Own example: in $COUNTRY almost all banks use either their app or Viber to send 2FA. I refuse to use Viber out of principle, and also their app refuses to work on phones that don't use Google services. Should I be locked out of my banking because of me refusing to support the practices of other, unrelated services that happen to be 'popular'? Note that there is no other way to get the codes - other banks may use SMS but that is expected to be sunset next year and they will switch to the same methods. IMHO it's disingenuous to say that there are options, when most of the time there aren't any.
        chaostheory 4y ago
        It’s not as endemic as you make it out to be or there would be a public outcry. Banking and social media are also two very different industries. One is essential while the other is mainly bread and circus with a myriad of alternatives
        jjav 4y ago
        > It’s not as endemic as you make it out to be or there would be a public outcry. There's no [significant] public outcry because most people use facebook or whichever latest popular thing.
        4y ago
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Meta is worried about abuse because if 99.999999% of posts on Meta are spam, people stop using it.

yibg 4y ago

Doesn't meta have an obligation to product users that do want to use their product? This is like saying people should be free to pee wherever they want, if you're worried about the smell, don't walk there.

chaostheory 4y ago
Actually, the pee analogy fits better with your argument. You’re arguing that people can siphon electricity and use meta’s servers without paying (via ads). As I’ve already mentioned, meta isn’t a utility that people can’t live without like a phone. If they don’t like it, they should use something else. There are many alternatives

jjav 4y ago

> Meta isn't some utility people can't live without. This is not true for large parts of society. There are many institutions which force you to communicate via facebook, so not having access to it means you're locked out of parts of your real life. This is horribly wrong by those institutions, of course, but here we are. It should be illegal, but isn't yet.

chaostheory 4y ago
Which institutions? if it affected “a large part of society”, I would imagine that I would be aware of it.
- jjav 4y ago
  Schools tend to be worst offenders, clubs, companies (heard of at least one company which only honors warranty support via facebook!).
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    Ask them to use something else, or get an exception by explaining that you were banned. It isn’t endemic and there are always options. After the Cambridge analytica scandal, Facebook no longer has unbreakable mindshare. This is especially true the younger the generation
    - lightspot21 4y ago
      >Ask them to use something else, or get an exception by explaining that you were banned. It isn’t endemic and there are always options Good luck if it's a business or public org. Why change their process for what amounts to a minority of customers? It's not worth the cost. Whether these people can't do business with them despite these services being essential to everyday life... well tough luck for them I guess? Own example: in $COUNTRY almost all banks use either their app or Viber to send 2FA. I refuse to use Viber out of principle, and also their app refuses to work on phones that don't use Google services. Should I be locked out of my banking because of me refusing to support the practices of other, unrelated services that happen to be 'popular'? Note that there is no other way to get the codes - other banks may use SMS but that is expected to be sunset next year and they will switch to the same methods. IMHO it's disingenuous to say that there are options, when most of the time there aren't any.
      - chaostheory 4y ago
        It’s not as endemic as you make it out to be or there would be a public outcry. Banking and social media are also two very different industries. One is essential while the other is mainly bread and circus with a myriad of alternatives
        jjav 4y ago
        > It’s not as endemic as you make it out to be or there would be a public outcry. There's no [significant] public outcry because most people use facebook or whichever latest popular thing.
        4y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

Meta is worried about abuse because if 99.999999% of posts on Meta are spam, people stop using it.