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they could have just created a good vscode extension :(

by debdut 4y ago

hoistbypetard 4y ago
[PlatformIO](https://platformio.org https://platformio.org) has taken care of that so thoroughly for them, maybe they only think their IDE is worthwhile for people who don't want to use VS Code?
- analog31 4y ago
  I struggle with VSCode because of the visual clutter. I know that I can set it up to my preferences, but haven't figured out how to make all the extra stuff go away. Also, IDE's seem to have an insatiable appetite for "improving" the UI elements rather than using standard elements from each platform, like scroll bars. I still can't use the scroll bars in VSCode or Spyder on a touch screen. But with that said, PlatformIO is super impressive.
- joshka 4y ago
  This tracks. I recall being surprised by the behavior of the Cmd+W keyboard shortcut in the new IDE that closed the window rather than the tab[1]. Keeping it simple seemed to be the main factor driving the way UX choices were made. [1]: https://github.com/arduino/arduino-ide/issues/275 https://github.com/arduino/arduino-ide/issues/275
ASalazarMX 4y ago
I was going to reply that maybe they wanted a light application to develop for Arduino, but... "The new IDE is based on the Eclipse Theia framework, which is an open source project based on the same architecture as VS Code (language server protocol, extensions, debugger). The front-end is written in TypeScript, while most of the backend is written in Golang." A VS Code plugin might have been better indeed.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  A VSCode plugin doesn't mean being lighter, the Java tooling from Red-Hat/Microsoft basically runs Eclipse headless, at which point I rather keep using Eclipse anyway.
bigfoot675 4y ago
This is used extensively in classrooms. Providing this standalone editor that "just works" is more appealing in such scenarios than asking students to use vscode with extensions
iamcreasy 4y ago
Is there any limitation with VS Code extensions that could have prevented the effort?
- debdut 4y ago
  pretty sure not

they could have just created a good vscode extension :(

by debdut 4y ago

they could have just created a good vscode extension :(

[PlatformIO](https://platformio.org https://platformio.org) has taken care of that so thoroughly for them, maybe they only think their IDE is worthwhile for people who don't want to use VS Code?

analog31 4y ago
I struggle with VSCode because of the visual clutter. I know that I can set it up to my preferences, but haven't figured out how to make all the extra stuff go away. Also, IDE's seem to have an insatiable appetite for "improving" the UI elements rather than using standard elements from each platform, like scroll bars. I still can't use the scroll bars in VSCode or Spyder on a touch screen. But with that said, PlatformIO is super impressive.
joshka 4y ago
This tracks. I recall being surprised by the behavior of the Cmd+W keyboard shortcut in the new IDE that closed the window rather than the tab[1]. Keeping it simple seemed to be the main factor driving the way UX choices were made. [1]: https://github.com/arduino/arduino-ide/issues/275 https://github.com/arduino/arduino-ide/issues/275

ASalazarMX 4y ago

I was going to reply that maybe they wanted a light application to develop for Arduino, but... "The new IDE is based on the Eclipse Theia framework, which is an open source project based on the same architecture as VS Code (language server protocol, extensions, debugger). The front-end is written in TypeScript, while most of the backend is written in Golang." A VS Code plugin might have been better indeed.

pjmlp 4y ago
A VSCode plugin doesn't mean being lighter, the Java tooling from Red-Hat/Microsoft basically runs Eclipse headless, at which point I rather keep using Eclipse anyway.

bigfoot675 4y ago

This is used extensively in classrooms. Providing this standalone editor that "just works" is more appealing in such scenarios than asking students to use vscode with extensions

iamcreasy 4y ago

Is there any limitation with VS Code extensions that could have prevented the effort?

debdut 4y ago
pretty sure not