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Agreed. I was doing some unrelated research yesterday and stumbled upon the fact that apparently (in Australia) 41% of companies see an increase in IT staff aft

Agreed. I was doing some unrelated research yesterday and stumbled upon the fact that apparently (in Australia) 41% of companies see an increase in IT staff after adopting cloud services. [1] I thought this was pretty weird since the original value proposition (AFAIR) was to reduce costs/head count. But everywhere I’ve worked that used AWS, had specialists employed to manage AWS. And I think the value proposition is more that it’s easier to find people who know AWS - because there are training providers and certifications - than people who know how to do everything themselves. Once you get to a certain size I think you can attract a team who can build out rather than buy in, and in so doing reduce costs. [1] https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/economics/articles/economic-value-cloud-services-australia.html https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/economics/articles/eco...

smugma 4y ago
Increase in IT staff isn’t necessarily bad. It could be companies moving to the cloud better learn the value of IT.
viridian 4y ago
> Once you get to a certain size I think you can attract a team who can build out rather than buy in, and in so doing reduce costs. I don't think this true for the vast majority of applications. It's probably true for the Youtube, Netflix, OneDrive, etc critical data path, but when your ownership is more like two dozen applications ranging from tiny (one consumer on some infrequent interval) to mid sized (under 100k requests a minute, for text, json, images, generated UI components), it's damn near impossible to beat from a pricing standpoint. Going back to on prem servers, even doing kubernetes/docker orchestration would likely increase my current team's monthly capital expenditure from ~$14000 a month to somewhere in the realm of 50-60k a month. The sad thing about those prices are that our on prem offerings are very cheap compared to the last price I worked, a $BIGBANK that has multiple data centers in multiple countries. As an internal client with the same footprint we have now, $BIGBANK global infrastructure folks provisioning would take $90-110k and 6 to God even knows how many months depending on how fast you could get through the churn of governance, compliance, security, and controls. Edit: just realized I forgot to mention I'm talking about serverless projects almost exclusively. That's important to the cost savings, because I agree that I'd rather host something in the 9 year old server in my basement and run my own reverse proxy than use EC2/EKS from a cost perspective.
MajimasEyepatch 4y ago
My guess is that companies adopting cloud services are companies who consider technology a strategic investment and would likely be hiring more IT staff regardless of the migration. Companies that aren't interested in spending more on IT are also probably not going to do a cloud migration.

smugma 4y ago

Increase in IT staff isn’t necessarily bad. It could be companies moving to the cloud better learn the value of IT.

viridian 4y ago

> Once you get to a certain size I think you can attract a team who can build out rather than buy in, and in so doing reduce costs. I don't think this true for the vast majority of applications. It's probably true for the Youtube, Netflix, OneDrive, etc critical data path, but when your ownership is more like two dozen applications ranging from tiny (one consumer on some infrequent interval) to mid sized (under 100k requests a minute, for text, json, images, generated UI components), it's damn near impossible to beat from a pricing standpoint. Going back to on prem servers, even doing kubernetes/docker orchestration would likely increase my current team's monthly capital expenditure from ~$14000 a month to somewhere in the realm of 50-60k a month. The sad thing about those prices are that our on prem offerings are very cheap compared to the last price I worked, a $BIGBANK that has multiple data centers in multiple countries. As an internal client with the same footprint we have now, $BIGBANK global infrastructure folks provisioning would take $90-110k and 6 to God even knows how many months depending on how fast you could get through the churn of governance, compliance, security, and controls. Edit: just realized I forgot to mention I'm talking about serverless projects almost exclusively. That's important to the cost savings, because I agree that I'd rather host something in the 9 year old server in my basement and run my own reverse proxy than use EC2/EKS from a cost perspective.

MajimasEyepatch 4y ago

My guess is that companies adopting cloud services are companies who consider technology a strategic investment and would likely be hiring more IT staff regardless of the migration. Companies that aren't interested in spending more on IT are also probably not going to do a cloud migration.