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> I guess because people want it to be true since they're pissed at OpenAI for not being so open This is honestly not my experience at all. When I first tried

by johnfn 4y ago

> I guess because people want it to be true since they're pissed at OpenAI for not being so open This is honestly not my experience at all. When I first tried SD and MJ, I did so with a very clear and distinct feeling that they were "knock-off DALL-Es" and I strongly doubted that they would be able to produce anything on the level of DALL-E. Indeed, I believed this for my first couple hundred prompts, mostly because I didn't know how to properly prompt them. After using them for around a month, I slowly realized that this was not the case, and in fact they were outperforming DALL-E for most of my normal usage. I have a bunch of prompts where SD and MJ produce absolutely beautiful and coherent artwork with extremely high consistency, that when sent to DALL-E, give significantly worse results.

wunderbaba 4y ago
It depends on what you're generating, complex prompts in DALLE ("a witch tossing rapunzels hair into a paper shredder at the bottom of the tower") blow midjourney and stable diffusion out of water. But if all you're doing is the equivalent of visual mad Libs: "Abraham Lincoln wearing a zoot suit on the moon.", then SD and MJ suffice.
- Terretta 4y ago
  With several thousand images on each, I agree with this -- to a degree. Dall-E does seem more aware of relationships among things, but using parens and careful word order in some of the SD builds can beat it. By contrast, even most failed images from MidJourney could still be in an outsider art gallery. MJ aesthetic works, while Dall-E seems like a 9 year old was taken hostage and clipped out Rapunzel and the paper shredder from magazines and pasted them onto a ransom note. That said, I have not been able to get any of Dall-E, MJ, or SD to give me a coherent black Ford Excursion towing a silver camping trailer on the surface of the moon beneath an earthrise. At cost per image, I could pay to get complex concepts such as this rendered via any number of art-for-hire sites at less expense and guaranteed results.
  - chrisco255 4y ago
    Do you have any links to share on how to build a proper SD query, with parens for example? I have not seen that done.
    - lolinder 4y ago
      Only some builds support it. This is the one I'm familiar with: [0]. () around a word causes the model to pay more attention to it, [] around a word causes the model to pay less attention. There's an example at the link. [0] https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features#attention https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...

by johnfn 4y ago

wunderbaba 4y ago

It depends on what you're generating, complex prompts in DALLE ("a witch tossing rapunzels hair into a paper shredder at the bottom of the tower") blow midjourney and stable diffusion out of water. But if all you're doing is the equivalent of visual mad Libs: "Abraham Lincoln wearing a zoot suit on the moon.", then SD and MJ suffice.

Terretta 4y ago
With several thousand images on each, I agree with this -- to a degree. Dall-E does seem more aware of relationships among things, but using parens and careful word order in some of the SD builds can beat it. By contrast, even most failed images from MidJourney could still be in an outsider art gallery. MJ aesthetic works, while Dall-E seems like a 9 year old was taken hostage and clipped out Rapunzel and the paper shredder from magazines and pasted them onto a ransom note. That said, I have not been able to get any of Dall-E, MJ, or SD to give me a coherent black Ford Excursion towing a silver camping trailer on the surface of the moon beneath an earthrise. At cost per image, I could pay to get complex concepts such as this rendered via any number of art-for-hire sites at less expense and guaranteed results.
- chrisco255 4y ago
  Do you have any links to share on how to build a proper SD query, with parens for example? I have not seen that done.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    Only some builds support it. This is the one I'm familiar with: [0]. () around a word causes the model to pay more attention to it, [] around a word causes the model to pay less attention. There's an example at the link. [0] https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features#attention https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...