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Alright so: 1) That's not white collar tech jobs, that's ALL jobs in SF 2) That's base salary, not inclusive of other comp like stock and bonus 3) Benefits a
by nwiswell 4y ago
Alright so:
1) That's not white collar tech jobs, that's ALL jobs in SF
2) That's base salary, not inclusive of other comp like stock and bonus
3) Benefits are a huge slice of the compensation pie: insurance is not cheap, most companies 401k match, etc
4) Payroll tax is a big chunk too
5) There's overhead associated with hires. At a minimum they get a laptop, but if they're onsite you have to furnish a cubicle and pay all associated costs
Fully loaded, the annual expense of a generic tech hire in SF is definitely more like $200k
- jjulius 4y ago>That's not white collar tech jobs, that's ALL jobs in SF Right! Because: >If we are take an average SF salary... >No way average SF salary is that low. :)
- yardstick 4y agoIt’s fairly well implied the original statement was related to tech jobs, not just any job, in SF. From HN guidelines “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”
- jjulius 4y ago>Assume good faith. Please do the same. My response can basically be read as... Someone: "I don't think that the average SF salary is $100k." Me: "You'd be surprised!" ... because I didn't know the answer to that either and found it interesting. That's it, basically.
- yardstick 4y agoOk thanks for the clarification.
- skinnymuch 4y agoNot everyone at Docusign is a white collar tech worker. Most likely aren’t.
- nwiswell 4y agoIn my experience, tech companies contract out roles like security, food, janitorial, shipping, and even facilities, so those people would not be included in the 7000-person figure. The people who manage the relationships with the contracting companies are decidedly white-collar. But maybe DocuSign doesn't do it that way, I don't actually know.
- skinnymuch 4y agoI was thinking of white collar tech worker as engineers. However it makes sense to include all the tech workers including UX, PM, etc and then I agree that’s the majority. Aka I was wrong, you’re right.
- colinmhayes 4y agoI'll go ahead and say the vast majority of docusign workers are white collar. Other than building maintenance and sales they have no ground game that would require low skill labor.
- skinnymuch 4y agoI was thinking of white collar tech worker as engineers. However it makes sense to include all the tech workers including UX, PM, etc and then I agree that’s the majority. Aka I was wrong, you’re right.