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> IMHO giving a prompt to generate image is amazing but isn't a product because you can't actually produce useful stuff Making art/weird pictures doesn't have

> IMHO giving a prompt to generate image is amazing but isn't a product because you can't actually produce useful stuff Making art/weird pictures doesn't have to be useful, as that use case is the entire reason MJ/SD went viral.

npunt 4y ago
Indeed, "it's just a toy" is often the place these things start
hugozap 4y ago
True, but if you can't integrate it into your workflow it will stay as a toy (and that's ok)
- cbozeman 4y ago
  People are already integrating it into their workflows. The inpainting plugins with Photoshop and Krita are already working absolute wonders.
  - Applejinx 4y ago
    Krita, eh? I'm not going to use Photoshop.
- nodja 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg
- lbotos 4y ago
  Not sure if you've seen, but the person you are replying to wrote a blog post recently on their experiences of "getting stable output": https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/ https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/
mrtksn 4y ago
It is not art and art is useful(we can disagree on what's art, the age old question). MidJourney and others are actually useful for exploration but the outputs are not because they can't spit finished deliverables to the specs. No one is paying for a picture of Mermaid eating marmalade, trending on art station, beautiful face, sharp focus, octane 8k. They are great for exploration, it's just that I don't believe this is the killer app for these tools. We will find out what's the killer app with Stable Diffusion because with Stable Diffusion people can experiment beyond entering some prompts.
- danielbln 4y ago
  Training your own likeness into the stable diffusion (via dreambooth) and then using it is absolutely hypnotic.
- TulliusCicero 4y ago
  There are situations where that kind of art is useful though. People have pointed out that it could work just fine for art for card games like Magic. Probably a lot of board games too.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. Consider how much more universally useful are other products like Photoshop or Blender. I think a major problem is reproducibility and output controllability. Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Maybe this can be solved at some point but it's not at this moment. The advantage of Stable Diffusion is that it can be possible for someone to implement it, with OpenAI this feature doesn't exist and its not useful until they implement it.
    - TulliusCicero 4y ago
      > Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. It's the start of a product, but it's going to keep improving. Already with inpainting and outpainting we see some new possible uses. What NovelAI (which builds on Stable Diffusion) has shown so far of their upcoming release seems impressive, though it's hard to say how much of that is cherry picking. > Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Hmm, is that true? I feel like most of the time art that companies want is something made far ahead of the consumer seeing it, so generating a 100 versions of something and picking the best seems fine, especially if you can then use inpainting and img2img to fine-tune it.
UncleEntity 4y ago
100% unusefull but is seriously addictive…

npunt 4y ago

Indeed, "it's just a toy" is often the place these things start

hugozap 4y ago

True, but if you can't integrate it into your workflow it will stay as a toy (and that's ok)

cbozeman 4y ago
People are already integrating it into their workflows. The inpainting plugins with Photoshop and Krita are already working absolute wonders.
- Applejinx 4y ago
  Krita, eh? I'm not going to use Photoshop.
nodja 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg
lbotos 4y ago
Not sure if you've seen, but the person you are replying to wrote a blog post recently on their experiences of "getting stable output": https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/ https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/

mrtksn 4y ago

It is not art and art is useful(we can disagree on what's art, the age old question). MidJourney and others are actually useful for exploration but the outputs are not because they can't spit finished deliverables to the specs. No one is paying for a picture of Mermaid eating marmalade, trending on art station, beautiful face, sharp focus, octane 8k. They are great for exploration, it's just that I don't believe this is the killer app for these tools. We will find out what's the killer app with Stable Diffusion because with Stable Diffusion people can experiment beyond entering some prompts.

danielbln 4y ago
Training your own likeness into the stable diffusion (via dreambooth) and then using it is absolutely hypnotic.
TulliusCicero 4y ago
There are situations where that kind of art is useful though. People have pointed out that it could work just fine for art for card games like Magic. Probably a lot of board games too.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. Consider how much more universally useful are other products like Photoshop or Blender. I think a major problem is reproducibility and output controllability. Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Maybe this can be solved at some point but it's not at this moment. The advantage of Stable Diffusion is that it can be possible for someone to implement it, with OpenAI this feature doesn't exist and its not useful until they implement it.
  - TulliusCicero 4y ago
    > Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. It's the start of a product, but it's going to keep improving. Already with inpainting and outpainting we see some new possible uses. What NovelAI (which builds on Stable Diffusion) has shown so far of their upcoming release seems impressive, though it's hard to say how much of that is cherry picking. > Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Hmm, is that true? I feel like most of the time art that companies want is something made far ahead of the consumer seeing it, so generating a 100 versions of something and picking the best seems fine, especially if you can then use inpainting and img2img to fine-tune it.

UncleEntity 4y ago

100% unusefull but is seriously addictive…