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> The lawsuit alleges that the city violates state and federal laws, its own policies and homeless individuals’ rights by “punishing residents who have nowhere

> The lawsuit alleges that the city violates state and federal laws, its own policies and homeless individuals’ rights by “punishing residents who have nowhere to go,” They have shelter beds available. People need to stop repeating falsehoods from activists and well-meaning people who keep saying this. Some homeless people prefer not to use them for a variety of reasons -- usually because shelters tend to be drug- and alcohol-free -- but also for reasons like not accepting pets or not housing couples of opposite gender together.

deathanatos 4y ago
> officials estimate 20,000 people will be homeless in San Francisco over the course of this year and demand can’t keep up despite the city having 13,299 supportive housing units and 3,571 shelter spots as of last week.
- nostromo 4y ago
  There are beds available. That's all you need to know. When police go to an illegal camp and say, you need to go to a shelter, it's not accurate to say they have nowhere to go. They do have somewhere to go. Handwaving this away and saying, well, maybe according to some estimate we may run out of beds in the future -- when we haven't run out of beds and never do, is not a serious argument.
criddell 4y ago
Why not have a variety of shelters to better serve the people who need them? It seems like you could more efficiently provide services when people of similar needs are clustered together.
omegaworks 4y ago
>usually because shelters tend to be drug- and alcohol-free Shelters are rife with abuse and have no place for you to store your belongings. >for reasons like not accepting pets or not housing couples of opposite gender together. You so casually dismiss the fundamental human desire to be close to the people and animals that you trust while being inside a facility that offers you the absolute barest of minimum and is sometimes outright designed to expose you to predation.
lostdog 4y ago
> They have shelter beds available. People need to stop repeating falsehoods from activists and well-meaning people who keep saying this. I hope you are able to cite some sources the next time you try to make this point.

deathanatos 4y ago

> officials estimate 20,000 people will be homeless in San Francisco over the course of this year and demand can’t keep up despite the city having 13,299 supportive housing units and 3,571 shelter spots as of last week.

nostromo 4y ago
There are beds available. That's all you need to know. When police go to an illegal camp and say, you need to go to a shelter, it's not accurate to say they have nowhere to go. They do have somewhere to go. Handwaving this away and saying, well, maybe according to some estimate we may run out of beds in the future -- when we haven't run out of beds and never do, is not a serious argument.

criddell 4y ago

Why not have a variety of shelters to better serve the people who need them? It seems like you could more efficiently provide services when people of similar needs are clustered together.

omegaworks 4y ago

>usually because shelters tend to be drug- and alcohol-free Shelters are rife with abuse and have no place for you to store your belongings. >for reasons like not accepting pets or not housing couples of opposite gender together. You so casually dismiss the fundamental human desire to be close to the people and animals that you trust while being inside a facility that offers you the absolute barest of minimum and is sometimes outright designed to expose you to predation.

lostdog 4y ago

> They have shelter beds available. People need to stop repeating falsehoods from activists and well-meaning people who keep saying this. I hope you are able to cite some sources the next time you try to make this point.