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> The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles.

> The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles. You couldn't be a soldier if you didn't have land or title, so it started out as something of prestigious and exclusive (as an alternative explanation why it was/is glorified). My point isn't that we should see sex work as important as being a soldier (though this is still somewhat subjective). My point is that people do things _as jobs_ that can have psycological impacts. Soldiers are not treated in some different class to other jobs. They are treated essentially the same: people have contracts, insurance, pensions, etc. why is sex work different? > The fact you specifically discriminate between men and women gives it away Thank you for pointing this out. > We consider both the purity of women and the willingness for men to sacrifice themselves and be assertive as virtues. Who is we? > Now turn it around and you have your answer as to the status quo for almost our entire existence across the entire globe. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
>That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history. Similar dynamics exist today. >why is sex work different? Already answered. History and cultural virtues. >Who is we? The far majority of your male and female ancestors, for one. The majority of cultures globally, for two. >I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The opposite of purity is lust and promiscuity. The opposite of being assertive is passivity and avoiding conflict. The opposite of wanting to fight is running away or freezing up. The vast majority of women aren't attracted to weak men who won't stand and fight for their hypothetical children. The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years. Culture too originates from something. Now look back at what soldiers do and what sex workers and their clientele resemble. It has nothing to do with emotional burdens.
- lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
  > If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history Most men, for significant parts of history, weew explicitly excluded from joining the army (e.g. Roman armies were only "staffed" by citizens). Where are you getting the idea that most men had to fight at home? Do you have any relevant sources for this? > The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. Ew. I generally prefer not to pass judgement, but this is an unpleasant turn of phrase in the exposition of your idea. > No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years Anatomically modern humans have only been around for ~300k years, civilisation ~5k. What millions of years of dynamics are you talking about exactly? Examples of reasoning changing dynamics that have "existed for millions of years:" - Money - Democracy - Contracts - etc. > what sex workers and their clientele resemble What do they resemble to you? Is this a modern conception or one that has existed for millions of years?
  - wnoise 4y ago
    > Roman armies were only "staffed" by citizens Er, no. It was a path to citizenship. The Tartship Strippers quote "service guarantees citizenship" had real antecedents, and is even now a benefit of military service in the US. See, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-roman-studies/article/abs/army-and-the-spread-of-roman-citizenship/263BF712F6F4B5081AA4E0561B35A52F https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-roman-stu... for the first, and https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-milita... for the second.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

>That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history. Similar dynamics exist today. >why is sex work different? Already answered. History and cultural virtues. >Who is we? The far majority of your male and female ancestors, for one. The majority of cultures globally, for two. >I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The opposite of purity is lust and promiscuity. The opposite of being assertive is passivity and avoiding conflict. The opposite of wanting to fight is running away or freezing up. The vast majority of women aren't attracted to weak men who won't stand and fight for their hypothetical children. The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years. Culture too originates from something. Now look back at what soldiers do and what sex workers and their clientele resemble. It has nothing to do with emotional burdens.

lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
> If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history Most men, for significant parts of history, weew explicitly excluded from joining the army (e.g. Roman armies were only "staffed" by citizens). Where are you getting the idea that most men had to fight at home? Do you have any relevant sources for this? > The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. Ew. I generally prefer not to pass judgement, but this is an unpleasant turn of phrase in the exposition of your idea. > No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years Anatomically modern humans have only been around for ~300k years, civilisation ~5k. What millions of years of dynamics are you talking about exactly? Examples of reasoning changing dynamics that have "existed for millions of years:" - Money - Democracy - Contracts - etc. > what sex workers and their clientele resemble What do they resemble to you? Is this a modern conception or one that has existed for millions of years?
- wnoise 4y ago
  > Roman armies were only "staffed" by citizens Er, no. It was a path to citizenship. The Tartship Strippers quote "service guarantees citizenship" had real antecedents, and is even now a benefit of military service in the US. See, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-roman-studies/article/abs/army-and-the-spread-of-roman-citizenship/263BF712F6F4B5081AA4E0561B35A52F https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-roman-stu... for the first, and https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-milita... for the second.