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PG: For some reason, even with upvotes, the article is not making it to the front page. It seems to be some kind of error? Also, my partner mike_organon upvot

PG: For some reason, even with upvotes, the article is not making it to the front page. It seems to be some kind of error? Also, my partner mike_organon upvoted it and the upvote didn't work - quite strange. I tried deleting the original and reposting, but the same problem)

pg 19y ago
It's not a bug. The sw detected that it was your partner, basically. I don't want to disclose the exact algorithm (it changes anyway), but in order to protect against spam and voting rings, some votes don't affect scores, and others affect scores but not rankings.
- gibsonf1 19y ago
  Oh, ok - wow. But how about the front page issue? Ah, maybe it's because 1 upvote was my wife who just joined (daniela) and the other was a friend who just joined but plays a role in the startup, (Frode Odegard.)?
  - pg 19y ago
    Getting onto the frontpage is a variant of the code that determines ranking. Not all votes count for it.
    - gibsonf1 19y ago
      Is it also a factor that streamfocus is related to my id, and I posted it rather than someone else - or would you have to shoot me if you answer this one? (Thanks for the clarification, btw) I was thinking about the partner identification algorithm you have, thinking it must be pretty clever, and then I realized: the system probably just does a check into the contact database showing that my partner and I both signed up under 1 company for Startup school. It was a bit baffling how you could pull it off without that as my partner very rarely posts here so there is not much data to build from. Oh, I see: we both have streamfocus.com in our descriptions.
      - rms 19y ago
        My YC application partner's votes also doesn't count for my submitted stories. pg: Let's say I run Tor and sign up for 25 new accounts over the course of a couple days. I vote for random stories with each account over the course of a week or two. I make two or three comments with each account agreeing with the previous post. I submit the story I want to game onto the front page and then vote up with all of my dummy accounts. Will these votes count? Is there a way of preventing a determined individual with an army of pseudo-accounts from gaming social news sites?
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        pg 19y ago
        The way I advise founders to deal with abuse is to rule out the obvious stuff from the start (e.g. don't give out the root password), and deal with the subtle stuff as you become more popular. Reddit did that, and it seems to have worked fine. Reddit is now big enough that a lot of people try to game their way onto the frontpage, but Steve & Co still seem to have the upper hand.
      - pg 19y ago
        It is nowhere near that complicated.

pg 19y ago

It's not a bug. The sw detected that it was your partner, basically. I don't want to disclose the exact algorithm (it changes anyway), but in order to protect against spam and voting rings, some votes don't affect scores, and others affect scores but not rankings.

gibsonf1 19y ago
Oh, ok - wow. But how about the front page issue? Ah, maybe it's because 1 upvote was my wife who just joined (daniela) and the other was a friend who just joined but plays a role in the startup, (Frode Odegard.)?
- pg 19y ago
  Getting onto the frontpage is a variant of the code that determines ranking. Not all votes count for it.
  - gibsonf1 19y ago
    Is it also a factor that streamfocus is related to my id, and I posted it rather than someone else - or would you have to shoot me if you answer this one? (Thanks for the clarification, btw) I was thinking about the partner identification algorithm you have, thinking it must be pretty clever, and then I realized: the system probably just does a check into the contact database showing that my partner and I both signed up under 1 company for Startup school. It was a bit baffling how you could pull it off without that as my partner very rarely posts here so there is not much data to build from. Oh, I see: we both have streamfocus.com in our descriptions.
    - rms 19y ago
      My YC application partner's votes also doesn't count for my submitted stories. pg: Let's say I run Tor and sign up for 25 new accounts over the course of a couple days. I vote for random stories with each account over the course of a week or two. I make two or three comments with each account agreeing with the previous post. I submit the story I want to game onto the front page and then vote up with all of my dummy accounts. Will these votes count? Is there a way of preventing a determined individual with an army of pseudo-accounts from gaming social news sites?
      - deleted 19y ago
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      - pg 19y ago
        The way I advise founders to deal with abuse is to rule out the obvious stuff from the start (e.g. don't give out the root password), and deal with the subtle stuff as you become more popular. Reddit did that, and it seems to have worked fine. Reddit is now big enough that a lot of people try to game their way onto the frontpage, but Steve & Co still seem to have the upper hand.
    - pg 19y ago
      It is nowhere near that complicated.