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Society? You're painting an awfully broad brush. I absolutely think it should be regulated because of the reasons you name, but it's mainly particular demograph

by Sakos 4y ago

Society? You're painting an awfully broad brush. I absolutely think it should be regulated because of the reasons you name, but it's mainly particular demographics that want sex work banned, and generally these demographics don't actually care about the well-being of sex workers (re: provably negative consequences for sex workers in previous situations where such work was made illegal or otherwise deregulated and punished).

rayiner 4y ago
The “particular demographics” who want to ban prostitution include “the majority of women.” https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me... Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized. I don't think that's the only reason; even a few sex providers can distort the (mostly balanced) market for sex. IOW, if men don't feel the need to date just to get sex then there's fewer men in the market. This means that women have to pay a higher price[1] for the available men, while the available men pay a lower price[2] for any specific woman. [1] Be nicer, be more willing to engage in sex, etc. [2] Be less committed, less involved, etc.
  - dymk 4y ago
    If a man wants to date just to get sex, then the woman missing that dating "opportunity" actually just dodged a bullet.
    - lelanthran 4y ago
      > If a man wants to date just to get sex, then the woman missing that dating "opportunity" actually just dodged a bullet. I agree, but that still reduces the number of available men in the market, which was my point.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Women are probably more likely than men to have their spouse cheat on them with a prostitute. I bet that's part of it.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  > Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized. There is a huge leap from "the majority of women oppose sex work" to "the majority of women oppose sex work BECAUSE if sex work was legal they would encounter social pressure to do sex work". I have women in my life who oppose sex work decriminalization. Not a single one does because they worry they will encounter any social pressure to do sex work. Almost every single one does because they believe that coercion is very common, and the downsides to criminalization are minimal. And none of them have spent much time listening to actual sex workers talk about the effects of criminalization on their lives. The women I know who are in favor of sex work decriminalization are very similar to the ones who oppose it but have spent more time listening to sex workers talk about the effects of criminalization. They understand that there is very little additional risk to someone who coerces another into sex work b/c of criminalization but far more additional risk to the sex worker.

by Sakos 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago

The “particular demographics” who want to ban prostitution include “the majority of women.” https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me... Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized.

lelanthran 4y ago
> Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized. I don't think that's the only reason; even a few sex providers can distort the (mostly balanced) market for sex. IOW, if men don't feel the need to date just to get sex then there's fewer men in the market. This means that women have to pay a higher price[1] for the available men, while the available men pay a lower price[2] for any specific woman. [1] Be nicer, be more willing to engage in sex, etc. [2] Be less committed, less involved, etc.
- dymk 4y ago
  If a man wants to date just to get sex, then the woman missing that dating "opportunity" actually just dodged a bullet.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > If a man wants to date just to get sex, then the woman missing that dating "opportunity" actually just dodged a bullet. I agree, but that still reduces the number of available men in the market, which was my point.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
Women are probably more likely than men to have their spouse cheat on them with a prostitute. I bet that's part of it.
JamesBarney 4y ago
> Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized. There is a huge leap from "the majority of women oppose sex work" to "the majority of women oppose sex work BECAUSE if sex work was legal they would encounter social pressure to do sex work". I have women in my life who oppose sex work decriminalization. Not a single one does because they worry they will encounter any social pressure to do sex work. Almost every single one does because they believe that coercion is very common, and the downsides to criminalization are minimal. And none of them have spent much time listening to actual sex workers talk about the effects of criminalization on their lives. The women I know who are in favor of sex work decriminalization are very similar to the ones who oppose it but have spent more time listening to sex workers talk about the effects of criminalization. They understand that there is very little additional risk to someone who coerces another into sex work b/c of criminalization but far more additional risk to the sex worker.