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Legitimizing the industry helps make cases of coercion more obvious, as people gain more legitimate means to report things without self-incrimination. Physical

Legitimizing the industry helps make cases of coercion more obvious, as people gain more legitimate means to report things without self-incrimination. Physical laborers rent out their bodies in a way that often causes permanent damage. It's literally degrading their bodies. Some construction workers live with chronic pain for their entire lives. There's a psychological component as well, which is more vulnerable in sex work, but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work either. Another commenter pointed out military work — being ordered to kill results in absurd levels of trauma, but it's a completely legitimate career path in the eyes of most societies. Why is that? I find it fairly hard to distinguish sex work from other work. There's a different balance of upsides and downsides, but you can find similar impacts in other legitimized lines of work.

lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
> but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work Not to labour the point but: cf Soldiers. Men can take the emotional and physical toll but women can't? edit: just to expand on this, talk to people who have been on military tours about the horrors of draging dead bodies (that they might have killed) from the road side, the pain of loosing friends, being away from your family etc.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  I think you've missed the point here. The poster is saying that sex work is vulnerable to psychological damage, but isn't considered as legitimate as military-related careers which are also vulnerable to psychological damage. The poster is questioning society which determines sex work to be less legitimate as a career than military work or any other career.
  - lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
    Yes, I am agreeing with this position.
    - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
      Ah ok, thanks for clarifying! I mistook agreement for disagreement even though your point was the same.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Not sure if you're intentionally stopping before the obvious elephant in the room. The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings. It's practically a necessity, as current day tensions show. Sex work isn't a necessity. Worse, regarding prostitution and porn, most of it's clientele remains secretive to avoid shame. Even if sex was considered a necessity, the stigma alone would prevent individuals from persuing services. The fact you specifically discriminate between men and women gives it away (women can be soldiers, men can be sexworkers). We consider both the purity of women and the willingness for men to sacrifice themselves and be assertive as virtues. Now turn it around and you have your answer as to the status quo for almost our entire existence across the entire globe.
  - lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
    > The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles. You couldn't be a soldier if you didn't have land or title, so it started out as something of prestigious and exclusive (as an alternative explanation why it was/is glorified). My point isn't that we should see sex work as important as being a soldier (though this is still somewhat subjective). My point is that people do things _as jobs_ that can have psycological impacts. Soldiers are not treated in some different class to other jobs. They are treated essentially the same: people have contracts, insurance, pensions, etc. why is sex work different? > The fact you specifically discriminate between men and women gives it away Thank you for pointing this out. > We consider both the purity of women and the willingness for men to sacrifice themselves and be assertive as virtues. Who is we? > Now turn it around and you have your answer as to the status quo for almost our entire existence across the entire globe. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      >That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history. Similar dynamics exist today. >why is sex work different? Already answered. History and cultural virtues. >Who is we? The far majority of your male and female ancestors, for one. The majority of cultures globally, for two. >I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The opposite of purity is lust and promiscuity. The opposite of being assertive is passivity and avoiding conflict. The opposite of wanting to fight is running away or freezing up. The vast majority of women aren't attracted to weak men who won't stand and fight for their hypothetical children. The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years. Culture too originates from something. Now look back at what soldiers do and what sex workers and their clientele resemble. It has nothing to do with emotional burdens.
daniel-cussen 4y ago
PART I So with military work, it's not about being required to kill as much as getting it that the killing needs doing. An overpowered army like the Americans conquering Iraq will induce trauma, but if you're outnumbered and alone, and you win? In my case unarmed. Five times, Thursday was my first 4-on-1, not a scratch. They threw a rock at me, 505 grams (I just weighed it), it hit a lamppost. Holy shit, screamed at the stoner QUE CHUCHA PERRA!! FUCK YOU, which is what you're supposed to say in the circumstances, being ganged up on and all, but standing your ground. It's my turf. I told them never to come back, the rapist said he'd come back any time he wanted, no respect. That's what he said! I told him there'd be consequences! I was within my right, not the initiator by any means, I've been a Roman Law hero for ten years by this point, that's gotta add up to something! So things are getting crazy violent. A little too violent. More than would be entertaining for a neighborhood, too much. American Embassy in Santiago said I should pack my shit and go back stateside. But you know what? Where? Stanford has worse rape extortion. California...Canada same, all about the straight white male Christian, like...no I'd rather be a totally hated minority where I can actually claim to be a minority and defend myself (and the rest of the minority obviously, I'm the only gringo who could have realistically retaliated for that sodomistic screaming catcall, nobody else literally nobody), but all the same...the fetish for lynchings is even worse in California. The rape extortion is the motor of the Californian economy, or should I say, the Fornicalian economy? Fornicalia. Women open up to me about rape extortion in California all the damn time, just the rent is insane pervy rapey landlords taking all wages (and frequently colluding with employers hearing about you getting a raise before you do). One woman was working in a Hispanic Supermarket, just said the rent is disgusting, while knowing full well (exact) what she made. Literally rape extortion. Her landlord, like most Californian landlords, was a rape extortionist because she feared and he know and now I know and I vouch the first thing that happens upon eviction is rape. Landlords threaten with rape. That's how they make money for nothing. Like yeah bring in a handiman every now or never, nah. Another one, this is damning, I was in a psych ward (as I frequently am), and one of the staff opened up about the rape extortion. Didn't actually say rape! But complained, it's all so competitive, rent is so disgusting, meaning she never profited from her work, and she was telling an inmate in the asylum! Because at the end of the day, they see me and know I'm not a bullshit guy who wants to barge through the door without saying hello, fuck as infectiously as he think he can get away with, and jump out the window without saying goodbye. A good man, a man who wants to be a husband and a father, a Christian, the absolute only true monster. Really beautiful women trust me, I kind of hate that trust but oh well. Particularly when they tell me they've been raped, I hate that! That burns all bridges forever, because that means a greater than 1 in a million chance of accusing me of rape! And frankly having heard enough by this point, all beautiful people get raped. All of them. It's inescapable, they're targeted the most. The bitchvictim media sabotages their defenses because it wants them to get raped. Stanford feminists argue not, say it's about power, but they're chock-full of dogshit, it is partly about power but it is mostly about genetic reproduction. Get real. My accusers are so gross, I turn my phone off around them because I wouldn't touch them with a photon! Just gross, Ariel and Ashley, nothing so gross as betrayal, not glamorous at all, each synonymous with ten thousand instances of rape dungeon punishment. Dude can't go to Stanford reunion to talk to my witnesses because my accusers are very empowered and lying in wait under a bridge. When I returned to Stanford years later all I could think about was switching classes to something with no women, two female professors was terrifying because of the disgusting gullibility of the deans thirsting for a pretext to extort me with sodomy. Neither of them stood upright the whole meeting when they accused me of rape, because they couldn't they both had erections and both had eyes glazed. Witnessed the meeting of the minds, I arrived last to a meeting meant for me alone with the dean, and there were three other people there, you think they spoke before I arrived? What a complete gang-rape. Perfect crime because they knew if they accused me of rape at maximum speed with all the most disgusting ejaculations implying my guilt, off a script, and didn't let me open my mouth at all until the double bind where I was expected (being under coercion after all, sodomy extortion already being declared) to confess. Yeah never figure that one out. But with this screaming sodomist, this Thursday, no post-traumatic stress disorder. More rather, losing my shit, as many on this forum said I was, but wasn't at the time, got it vetted by my doctor mind you, now it's like...am I living in a society that only wants to rape and murder me? It all started when a flamboy with 5 inch platforms screamed at me "gringo culiao" meaning calling me cooperative with being raped, ie by him, it was rape extortion, dude...without me saying anything to him, just walked down the street, being white, being tall, being straight, being a stranger to homosexual sex, and THE WORSE OF ALL having a fully straight backbone, from winning 33 conflicts before then. How am I supposed to hunch after 33-0? It's an animal status thing, dogs raise their tail, men raise their backs. Very visible when I'm also 6'2" (188 cm) (but for real, not like men who tell women they're 2 or sometimes up to 4 inches taller than they actually are, in person at least, on a dating app who gives a shit 6 inches taller). Specifically determined my height at the doctor's office because I kept getting asked what it was at castings, and while I could say it was 190 cm and they bought it, I said 189 cm (didn't round up), my best estimate, until a checkup where I asked for it exact. 188 cm is very tall, I don't know, only seen one woman taller than that in my life. So all that, and I guess people read my having been a straight model, and in some cases (teenage women especially can tell, I hate this about them) that I'm a hero (strictly according to Roman Law, got called a hero meeting all the criteria), then that's when I get targeted. It's a combination of their being 4 of them and 1 of me, the impunity, the feeling of power that I can be accused of being a violent homophobe for retaliating against a homosexual with 5 inch platforms screaming rape extortion at me, and of course his 5 inch platforms guy was like 5'5" without them, they uplifted him. They made him feel big, and it was the first time I encountered a flamboy dressed as a goth with such high shoes, hard to compensate in my mind, it was like he was 5'10". Besides being sexual display, ordinarily of being a homosexual, but in the context, of being proposing sodomy. Specifically had to do with my being white. So "gringo culiao" refers to my whiteness, like he wanted to stain me with his superior sodomist genetics...like what is he then going to buy my children, with his DNA, a gift for their first birthday? Will he go to their baseball game? Put food on the table? Give that daughter a generous allowance so she can buy outfits freely, which I heard one beautiful girl say once, and made me want to someday be the father who could come up with the money for that. Alimony? Pay for the wedding? Go to prison if he's behind on child support? Because he's screaming that he's straight, everybody's straight, he wants to have babies alright, he just doesn't want paternity himself, he wants to spread his genes through me. Wants to infect me with thousands of sexually transmitted infections, which in addition carry his human genome as a reward for spreading them, that's the endgame. I've been getting these threats for decades, and I'm just fed up with this shit, they always get mulligans and it's sodomy extortion, it's just wrong. And I'm realistically the only gringo who could retaliate for that, no other American could go back and give him a chance to back down on the sodomy threat. And follow through when he arrogantly upheld his threat of sodomy. END OF PART I

lkslkdjfsl 4y ago

> but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work Not to labour the point but: cf Soldiers. Men can take the emotional and physical toll but women can't? edit: just to expand on this, talk to people who have been on military tours about the horrors of draging dead bodies (that they might have killed) from the road side, the pain of loosing friends, being away from your family etc.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
I think you've missed the point here. The poster is saying that sex work is vulnerable to psychological damage, but isn't considered as legitimate as military-related careers which are also vulnerable to psychological damage. The poster is questioning society which determines sex work to be less legitimate as a career than military work or any other career.
- lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
  Yes, I am agreeing with this position.
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    Ah ok, thanks for clarifying! I mistook agreement for disagreement even though your point was the same.
BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Not sure if you're intentionally stopping before the obvious elephant in the room. The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings. It's practically a necessity, as current day tensions show. Sex work isn't a necessity. Worse, regarding prostitution and porn, most of it's clientele remains secretive to avoid shame. Even if sex was considered a necessity, the stigma alone would prevent individuals from persuing services. The fact you specifically discriminate between men and women gives it away (women can be soldiers, men can be sexworkers). We consider both the purity of women and the willingness for men to sacrifice themselves and be assertive as virtues. Now turn it around and you have your answer as to the status quo for almost our entire existence across the entire globe.
- lkslkdjfsl 4y ago
  > The army has always been glorified as a country without soldiers is free pickings That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles. You couldn't be a soldier if you didn't have land or title, so it started out as something of prestigious and exclusive (as an alternative explanation why it was/is glorified). My point isn't that we should see sex work as important as being a soldier (though this is still somewhat subjective). My point is that people do things _as jobs_ that can have psycological impacts. Soldiers are not treated in some different class to other jobs. They are treated essentially the same: people have contracts, insurance, pensions, etc. why is sex work different? > The fact you specifically discriminate between men and women gives it away Thank you for pointing this out. > We consider both the purity of women and the willingness for men to sacrifice themselves and be assertive as virtues. Who is we? > Now turn it around and you have your answer as to the status quo for almost our entire existence across the entire globe. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    >That is your own conlcusion. Historically armies were "staffed" by nobles If you as a man weren't willing to fight, be it the army or your home, good luck attracting a mate for most of history. Similar dynamics exist today. >why is sex work different? Already answered. History and cultural virtues. >Who is we? The far majority of your male and female ancestors, for one. The majority of cultures globally, for two. >I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The opposite of purity is lust and promiscuity. The opposite of being assertive is passivity and avoiding conflict. The opposite of wanting to fight is running away or freezing up. The vast majority of women aren't attracted to weak men who won't stand and fight for their hypothetical children. The vast majority of men aren't attracted to promiscuous women looking for the next meal ticket. No amount of reasoning changes dynamics that have existed for millions of years. Culture too originates from something. Now look back at what soldiers do and what sex workers and their clientele resemble. It has nothing to do with emotional burdens.

daniel-cussen 4y ago

PART I So with military work, it's not about being required to kill as much as getting it that the killing needs doing. An overpowered army like the Americans conquering Iraq will induce trauma, but if you're outnumbered and alone, and you win? In my case unarmed. Five times, Thursday was my first 4-on-1, not a scratch. They threw a rock at me, 505 grams (I just weighed it), it hit a lamppost. Holy shit, screamed at the stoner QUE CHUCHA PERRA!! FUCK YOU, which is what you're supposed to say in the circumstances, being ganged up on and all, but standing your ground. It's my turf. I told them never to come back, the rapist said he'd come back any time he wanted, no respect. That's what he said! I told him there'd be consequences! I was within my right, not the initiator by any means, I've been a Roman Law hero for ten years by this point, that's gotta add up to something! So things are getting crazy violent. A little too violent. More than would be entertaining for a neighborhood, too much. American Embassy in Santiago said I should pack my shit and go back stateside. But you know what? Where? Stanford has worse rape extortion. California...Canada same, all about the straight white male Christian, like...no I'd rather be a totally hated minority where I can actually claim to be a minority and defend myself (and the rest of the minority obviously, I'm the only gringo who could have realistically retaliated for that sodomistic screaming catcall, nobody else literally nobody), but all the same...the fetish for lynchings is even worse in California. The rape extortion is the motor of the Californian economy, or should I say, the Fornicalian economy? Fornicalia. Women open up to me about rape extortion in California all the damn time, just the rent is insane pervy rapey landlords taking all wages (and frequently colluding with employers hearing about you getting a raise before you do). One woman was working in a Hispanic Supermarket, just said the rent is disgusting, while knowing full well (exact) what she made. Literally rape extortion. Her landlord, like most Californian landlords, was a rape extortionist because she feared and he know and now I know and I vouch the first thing that happens upon eviction is rape. Landlords threaten with rape. That's how they make money for nothing. Like yeah bring in a handiman every now or never, nah. Another one, this is damning, I was in a psych ward (as I frequently am), and one of the staff opened up about the rape extortion. Didn't actually say rape! But complained, it's all so competitive, rent is so disgusting, meaning she never profited from her work, and she was telling an inmate in the asylum! Because at the end of the day, they see me and know I'm not a bullshit guy who wants to barge through the door without saying hello, fuck as infectiously as he think he can get away with, and jump out the window without saying goodbye. A good man, a man who wants to be a husband and a father, a Christian, the absolute only true monster. Really beautiful women trust me, I kind of hate that trust but oh well. Particularly when they tell me they've been raped, I hate that! That burns all bridges forever, because that means a greater than 1 in a million chance of accusing me of rape! And frankly having heard enough by this point, all beautiful people get raped. All of them. It's inescapable, they're targeted the most. The bitchvictim media sabotages their defenses because it wants them to get raped. Stanford feminists argue not, say it's about power, but they're chock-full of dogshit, it is partly about power but it is mostly about genetic reproduction. Get real. My accusers are so gross, I turn my phone off around them because I wouldn't touch them with a photon! Just gross, Ariel and Ashley, nothing so gross as betrayal, not glamorous at all, each synonymous with ten thousand instances of rape dungeon punishment. Dude can't go to Stanford reunion to talk to my witnesses because my accusers are very empowered and lying in wait under a bridge. When I returned to Stanford years later all I could think about was switching classes to something with no women, two female professors was terrifying because of the disgusting gullibility of the deans thirsting for a pretext to extort me with sodomy. Neither of them stood upright the whole meeting when they accused me of rape, because they couldn't they both had erections and both had eyes glazed. Witnessed the meeting of the minds, I arrived last to a meeting meant for me alone with the dean, and there were three other people there, you think they spoke before I arrived? What a complete gang-rape. Perfect crime because they knew if they accused me of rape at maximum speed with all the most disgusting ejaculations implying my guilt, off a script, and didn't let me open my mouth at all until the double bind where I was expected (being under coercion after all, sodomy extortion already being declared) to confess. Yeah never figure that one out. But with this screaming sodomist, this Thursday, no post-traumatic stress disorder. More rather, losing my shit, as many on this forum said I was, but wasn't at the time, got it vetted by my doctor mind you, now it's like...am I living in a society that only wants to rape and murder me? It all started when a flamboy with 5 inch platforms screamed at me "gringo culiao" meaning calling me cooperative with being raped, ie by him, it was rape extortion, dude...without me saying anything to him, just walked down the street, being white, being tall, being straight, being a stranger to homosexual sex, and THE WORSE OF ALL having a fully straight backbone, from winning 33 conflicts before then. How am I supposed to hunch after 33-0? It's an animal status thing, dogs raise their tail, men raise their backs. Very visible when I'm also 6'2" (188 cm) (but for real, not like men who tell women they're 2 or sometimes up to 4 inches taller than they actually are, in person at least, on a dating app who gives a shit 6 inches taller). Specifically determined my height at the doctor's office because I kept getting asked what it was at castings, and while I could say it was 190 cm and they bought it, I said 189 cm (didn't round up), my best estimate, until a checkup where I asked for it exact. 188 cm is very tall, I don't know, only seen one woman taller than that in my life. So all that, and I guess people read my having been a straight model, and in some cases (teenage women especially can tell, I hate this about them) that I'm a hero (strictly according to Roman Law, got called a hero meeting all the criteria), then that's when I get targeted. It's a combination of their being 4 of them and 1 of me, the impunity, the feeling of power that I can be accused of being a violent homophobe for retaliating against a homosexual with 5 inch platforms screaming rape extortion at me, and of course his 5 inch platforms guy was like 5'5" without them, they uplifted him. They made him feel big, and it was the first time I encountered a flamboy dressed as a goth with such high shoes, hard to compensate in my mind, it was like he was 5'10". Besides being sexual display, ordinarily of being a homosexual, but in the context, of being proposing sodomy. Specifically had to do with my being white. So "gringo culiao" refers to my whiteness, like he wanted to stain me with his superior sodomist genetics...like what is he then going to buy my children, with his DNA, a gift for their first birthday? Will he go to their baseball game? Put food on the table? Give that daughter a generous allowance so she can buy outfits freely, which I heard one beautiful girl say once, and made me want to someday be the father who could come up with the money for that. Alimony? Pay for the wedding? Go to prison if he's behind on child support? Because he's screaming that he's straight, everybody's straight, he wants to have babies alright, he just doesn't want paternity himself, he wants to spread his genes through me. Wants to infect me with thousands of sexually transmitted infections, which in addition carry his human genome as a reward for spreading them, that's the endgame. I've been getting these threats for decades, and I'm just fed up with this shit, they always get mulligans and it's sodomy extortion, it's just wrong. And I'm realistically the only gringo who could retaliate for that, no other American could go back and give him a chance to back down on the sodomy threat. And follow through when he arrogantly upheld his threat of sodomy. END OF PART I