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It's not a single player game, you're commenting on what you think Eve is, but it's not that. Eve is the other capsuleers, not the stupid items. Half the good i

by aliqot 4y ago

It's not a single player game, you're commenting on what you think Eve is, but it's not that. Eve is the other capsuleers, not the stupid items. Half the good items in the game are nothing, do nothing, and are cheap and readily accessible, Even 'Nude Dancers, Female". Never undock without 'em.

solardev 4y ago
I've played Eve and gave up specifically because of the terrible grind: in skills, in credits, in ships, etc. Yes, there is a lot of emergent gameplay that only surfaces once you're in a big guild, but I never got to experience that because the early-game grind of mining asteroids etc. was so tedious. Eventually I read about the huge armadas and giant wars, but it takes a lot of dedication to get there. It's a lot of players grinding out an entire logistics network... At an abstract level, that sort of cooperative team-vs-team supply chain building plus faction warfare isn't new either or unique to Eve. Eve's scale is impressive, don't get me wrong, but it's still a lot of grinding.
- aliqot 4y ago
  You suffer from a list of misunderstandings of the game, and that's a shame, because it's a lot more than hi-sec, alone or not. If you spent all your time mining, you were trying to play safe eve which is a game that doesn't exist. "It's only when you lose everything that you're free to do anything", as Cornwallis once said, probably. War is at your fingertips 24/7, this is the purpose of faction warfare. You didn't see that because you never left high security space. I'm not judging, but I'm also not patting your butt while explaining this either. I was like you at one point.
  - solardev 4y ago
    I think we're talking past one another... I'm not against PvP games or faction warfare, but the grind it takes to be able to meaningfully participate. I didn't WANT to mine or run trade routes ("safe Eve"), but flying out in a noob ship with noob skills and no friends was just suicide. It wasn't so much high-risk, high-reward, it was high-investment-or-get-ganked. The entire economy is designed around the grind, with real-time skills and huge supply chains. Every time I WANTED to do something, I couldn't because I didn't have enough ISK/materials/skills/friends. I don't want "safety", I want "lack of monotony". They're different things. Eve is like the Foxhole of space games, vs something like Elite Dangerous where even lone-wolf privateers can see meaningful action/combat without much investment. I would love to play Eve more for the social aspects, but it takes too much time commitment to be able to meaningfully participate unless you join a big guild and they help you up. That's because of the grind. If an emulator makes the grind much easier (much faster skill progression, higher material drop rates, easier ISK, etc.) I would love to check that out. I'm sure that will also cause communities to be less tight-knit (lower investments in time and social dependence), but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to accept in exchange for being able to experience some of the time-locked parts of Eve...
    - aliqot 4y ago
      How can you win if you don't play? <-- Philosophical rhetorical question I get what you're saying and why you'd feel that way. I'm sure you already know what I'm going to say, and that I disagree because there's a lot of things you're saying that a newbro would say that are not as true as they seem at first glance once you've been going a while. When I was a kid I used to think about my idols or the people who had things I wanted and it was so inconceivable to think that we're the same people and they they dared to reach for the thing we both wanted. Them being there first made me wrongfully feel like they had something I didn't, when in fact it's been there the whole time and just had to grab for it. I think we both have some points, and we both have some experiences, but a thing I see a lot of Eve vets doing is badgering the fuck out of a newbro on the internet who just wanted to make a spreadsheets-in-space meme and get some upvotes on r/Eve. I think I'm teetering on the edge of being that guy, and that's counterproductive because I hope some day you come back so some person like myself can show you the finesse of being a digital space-terrorist. Seriously, if you set up the emulator try out the smart bombs, it's frickin great. Just gonna have to ramp up the imagination without anybody to blow up :/

by aliqot 4y ago

solardev 4y ago

I've played Eve and gave up specifically because of the terrible grind: in skills, in credits, in ships, etc. Yes, there is a lot of emergent gameplay that only surfaces once you're in a big guild, but I never got to experience that because the early-game grind of mining asteroids etc. was so tedious. Eventually I read about the huge armadas and giant wars, but it takes a lot of dedication to get there. It's a lot of players grinding out an entire logistics network... At an abstract level, that sort of cooperative team-vs-team supply chain building plus faction warfare isn't new either or unique to Eve. Eve's scale is impressive, don't get me wrong, but it's still a lot of grinding.

aliqot 4y ago
You suffer from a list of misunderstandings of the game, and that's a shame, because it's a lot more than hi-sec, alone or not. If you spent all your time mining, you were trying to play safe eve which is a game that doesn't exist. "It's only when you lose everything that you're free to do anything", as Cornwallis once said, probably. War is at your fingertips 24/7, this is the purpose of faction warfare. You didn't see that because you never left high security space. I'm not judging, but I'm also not patting your butt while explaining this either. I was like you at one point.
- solardev 4y ago
  I think we're talking past one another... I'm not against PvP games or faction warfare, but the grind it takes to be able to meaningfully participate. I didn't WANT to mine or run trade routes ("safe Eve"), but flying out in a noob ship with noob skills and no friends was just suicide. It wasn't so much high-risk, high-reward, it was high-investment-or-get-ganked. The entire economy is designed around the grind, with real-time skills and huge supply chains. Every time I WANTED to do something, I couldn't because I didn't have enough ISK/materials/skills/friends. I don't want "safety", I want "lack of monotony". They're different things. Eve is like the Foxhole of space games, vs something like Elite Dangerous where even lone-wolf privateers can see meaningful action/combat without much investment. I would love to play Eve more for the social aspects, but it takes too much time commitment to be able to meaningfully participate unless you join a big guild and they help you up. That's because of the grind. If an emulator makes the grind much easier (much faster skill progression, higher material drop rates, easier ISK, etc.) I would love to check that out. I'm sure that will also cause communities to be less tight-knit (lower investments in time and social dependence), but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to accept in exchange for being able to experience some of the time-locked parts of Eve...
  - aliqot 4y ago
    How can you win if you don't play? <-- Philosophical rhetorical question I get what you're saying and why you'd feel that way. I'm sure you already know what I'm going to say, and that I disagree because there's a lot of things you're saying that a newbro would say that are not as true as they seem at first glance once you've been going a while. When I was a kid I used to think about my idols or the people who had things I wanted and it was so inconceivable to think that we're the same people and they they dared to reach for the thing we both wanted. Them being there first made me wrongfully feel like they had something I didn't, when in fact it's been there the whole time and just had to grab for it. I think we both have some points, and we both have some experiences, but a thing I see a lot of Eve vets doing is badgering the fuck out of a newbro on the internet who just wanted to make a spreadsheets-in-space meme and get some upvotes on r/Eve. I think I'm teetering on the edge of being that guy, and that's counterproductive because I hope some day you come back so some person like myself can show you the finesse of being a digital space-terrorist. Seriously, if you set up the emulator try out the smart bombs, it's frickin great. Just gonna have to ramp up the imagination without anybody to blow up :/