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Again with the denigrating of sex work. It's a pervasive and ancient part of human society, but it should not be studied, because? We study bookmaking and banki

Again with the denigrating of sex work. It's a pervasive and ancient part of human society, but it should not be studied, because? We study bookmaking and banking and families and art, but not this because, it's naughty? it's taboo? it makes some uncomfortable? All that is a clear sign to me, that we need more such scholars.

dtx1 4y ago
- kingkawn 4y ago
  What is the purpose of the academy other than to organize knowledge about significant cultural, social, and financial aspects of our society? I think you just enjoy taking what you think will be cheap shots.
- ChefboyOG 4y ago
  Can you expand on why pornography is an unsuitable focus for a scholar?
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- Bakary 4y ago
  If we frame the idea a bit more precisely: 1) Pornography studies can be an aspect of sociology, and it's not uncommon for sociologists to specialize in a narrow area. 2) The study of pornography isn't all that narrow to begin with. It's something that has driven technology to a great extent, in particular media and web functionalities. It's something with thousands of years of history and with literally billions of people involved as producers or consumers. There are probably very few people reading this thread who have never viewed a form of it. 3) A job can have a poor financial outlook even if its subject matter is worthwhile.
- alistairSH 4y ago
  How do you know "pornography studies" isn't the name for "sociology with a concentration in pornography"?
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Pornography is a constant part of human culture. "Pornography studies" is not meaningfully different from "music studies" or whatever. There is a rich history of both the thing itself and society's interaction with the thing that can be mined for insight and understanding.
zivkovicp 4y ago
I would imagine it's because classic family values are incompatible with "hookup culture" and unfettered access to sex for money, and it seems that society is sitting on the fence as to which they want for the long term. Of course I could be totally wrong.
- jmopp 4y ago
  Sex work has been around forever, as has hookup culture. There just happen to be now better alternatives than putting the female party in a Magdalene laundry until she gives birth.
Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
- fknorangesite 4y ago
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- walls 4y ago
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
implements 4y ago
It should be denigrated - it’s an abuse of another human being that’s often considered a form of modern slavery. Have a read of this from an actual day-to-day UK prostitute: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-n... NB: Being against sex work isn’t being against sex workers. Edit: You know, I was going to moan about the downvotes - but I think I’ll leave it as when ultimately [flagged] it’ll be some kind of a testament to the mentality so devoid of empathy it can’t imagine how the business of sex for money can be worthy of denigration, even when given direct evidence of the grim reality of it from an actual prostitute.
- naasking 4y ago
  > Have a read of this from an actual day-to-day UK prostitute: So all factory work should be denigrated and is an abuse of another human being because Amazon workers have to shit in buckets and piss in bottles to meet their quotas? Or, crazy thought here, maybe some regulation can make working conditions humane no matter the kind of labour you're doing. But first you have to give up this crazy notion that sex is intrinsically different from any other physical act you can voluntarily do with your body.
- 666lumberjack 4y ago
  One unsubstantiated anecdote from one person doing one kind of sex work is enough to completely condemn it? I could just as easily point to someone like Aella_girl who is a vocal proponent of escorting and sex work.
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  As it is now, with no worker protections, its bleak. But with some study and regulation it can be otherwise. Hell, factory workers were 'modern slavery' and we made that better. Nothing new here about 'sex workers', just about unprotected workers in a taboo industry. We can fix that, if we stop denigrating and start talking.
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dtx1 4y ago

kingkawn 4y ago
What is the purpose of the academy other than to organize knowledge about significant cultural, social, and financial aspects of our society? I think you just enjoy taking what you think will be cheap shots.
ChefboyOG 4y ago
Can you expand on why pornography is an unsuitable focus for a scholar?
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Bakary 4y ago
If we frame the idea a bit more precisely: 1) Pornography studies can be an aspect of sociology, and it's not uncommon for sociologists to specialize in a narrow area. 2) The study of pornography isn't all that narrow to begin with. It's something that has driven technology to a great extent, in particular media and web functionalities. It's something with thousands of years of history and with literally billions of people involved as producers or consumers. There are probably very few people reading this thread who have never viewed a form of it. 3) A job can have a poor financial outlook even if its subject matter is worthwhile.
alistairSH 4y ago
How do you know "pornography studies" isn't the name for "sociology with a concentration in pornography"?
UncleMeat 4y ago
Pornography is a constant part of human culture. "Pornography studies" is not meaningfully different from "music studies" or whatever. There is a rich history of both the thing itself and society's interaction with the thing that can be mined for insight and understanding.

zivkovicp 4y ago

I would imagine it's because classic family values are incompatible with "hookup culture" and unfettered access to sex for money, and it seems that society is sitting on the fence as to which they want for the long term. Of course I could be totally wrong.

jmopp 4y ago
Sex work has been around forever, as has hookup culture. There just happen to be now better alternatives than putting the female party in a Magdalene laundry until she gives birth.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

fknorangesite 4y ago
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
walls 4y ago
Der_Einzige 4y ago

implements 4y ago

It should be denigrated - it’s an abuse of another human being that’s often considered a form of modern slavery. Have a read of this from an actual day-to-day UK prostitute: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-n... NB: Being against sex work isn’t being against sex workers. Edit: You know, I was going to moan about the downvotes - but I think I’ll leave it as when ultimately [flagged] it’ll be some kind of a testament to the mentality so devoid of empathy it can’t imagine how the business of sex for money can be worthy of denigration, even when given direct evidence of the grim reality of it from an actual prostitute.

naasking 4y ago
> Have a read of this from an actual day-to-day UK prostitute: So all factory work should be denigrated and is an abuse of another human being because Amazon workers have to shit in buckets and piss in bottles to meet their quotas? Or, crazy thought here, maybe some regulation can make working conditions humane no matter the kind of labour you're doing. But first you have to give up this crazy notion that sex is intrinsically different from any other physical act you can voluntarily do with your body.
666lumberjack 4y ago
One unsubstantiated anecdote from one person doing one kind of sex work is enough to completely condemn it? I could just as easily point to someone like Aella_girl who is a vocal proponent of escorting and sex work.
JoeAltmaier 4y ago
As it is now, with no worker protections, its bleak. But with some study and regulation it can be otherwise. Hell, factory workers were 'modern slavery' and we made that better. Nothing new here about 'sex workers', just about unprotected workers in a taboo industry. We can fix that, if we stop denigrating and start talking.

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