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> Further, it would make no sense for the US to sabotage the pipeline because the LNG supply chain from the US to Europe is by boat. Can you explain your logic

by m000 4y ago

> Further, it would make no sense for the US to sabotage the pipeline because the LNG supply chain from the US to Europe is by boat. Can you explain your logic? If US sabotages the pipeline, wouldn't it force Europe to expedite buying more (expensive) LNG, instead of hoping that flow of Russian gas will resume? It seems to me that both USA and Russia have incentives to see the pipe decommissioned. It could also backfire against either of them. - USA: LNG sales soar. False flag op attributed to Russia. Both put pressure on Europe to align with US interests, despite the high economic price. More important, deprives Russia of the ability to use gas as a bargaining chip. - Russia: False flag op attributed to USA. Perhaps avoids contractual penalty clauses for not supplying Europe with enough gas. Makes energy crisis in Europe worse so that there will be popular pressure for a Ukraine deal.

michael144 4y ago
-By sabotaging both pipelines it stops the Europeans from abandoning the sanctions policy if they have a long cold winter. That is the pipeline remains the most immediate relief in a cold winter. All they needed was to flick a switch. -There can't be any contractual liabilities that will accrue as the sanctions made the contracts void.The same way Boeing and Airbus were forced to drop 20 Billion contracts to supply Iran with planes after Trump re-imposed sanctions.
Test0129 4y ago
LNG sales soar and one of their historic allies freezes because the supply lines will arrive every 1 to 2 weeks if they used the fastest available cruise ship. Tankers are larger and slower, so double it for the sake of argument. Then it takes a month to get the first shipments out. That gives you...maybe two shipments for the entirety of winter. It's not impossible. It just seems entirely unlikely the US would destroy the pipeline knowing they can't supply immediate relief. If NATO found out it would likely lead to war.
- foverzar 4y ago
  > It just seems entirely unlikely the US would destroy the pipeline knowing they can't supply immediate relief. Eh, if you live in the US-centric info-sphere, you'd likely have that kind of a "good faith" opinion, but this is actually quite in line with their foreign policy patterns. > If NATO found out it would likely lead to war. Please, the US IS NATO. What are they gonna do, go to war with the US, using it's own intelligence, military infrastructure and America's own military industrial complex for supply? The US holds all the cards in NATO.

by m000 4y ago

michael144 4y ago

-By sabotaging both pipelines it stops the Europeans from abandoning the sanctions policy if they have a long cold winter. That is the pipeline remains the most immediate relief in a cold winter. All they needed was to flick a switch. -There can't be any contractual liabilities that will accrue as the sanctions made the contracts void.The same way Boeing and Airbus were forced to drop 20 Billion contracts to supply Iran with planes after Trump re-imposed sanctions.

Test0129 4y ago

LNG sales soar and one of their historic allies freezes because the supply lines will arrive every 1 to 2 weeks if they used the fastest available cruise ship. Tankers are larger and slower, so double it for the sake of argument. Then it takes a month to get the first shipments out. That gives you...maybe two shipments for the entirety of winter. It's not impossible. It just seems entirely unlikely the US would destroy the pipeline knowing they can't supply immediate relief. If NATO found out it would likely lead to war.

foverzar 4y ago
> It just seems entirely unlikely the US would destroy the pipeline knowing they can't supply immediate relief. Eh, if you live in the US-centric info-sphere, you'd likely have that kind of a "good faith" opinion, but this is actually quite in line with their foreign policy patterns. > If NATO found out it would likely lead to war. Please, the US IS NATO. What are they gonna do, go to war with the US, using it's own intelligence, military infrastructure and America's own military industrial complex for supply? The US holds all the cards in NATO.