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Sabotaging their allies' key infrastructure would be an absolutely crazy amount of risk for the US. Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caug

Sabotaging their allies' key infrastructure would be an absolutely crazy amount of risk for the US. Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caught, that is a 1% chance of completely destroying relations their with Germany, Scandinavia, the EU, and probably the entire world. And all of that risk for the very marginal benefit of disabling some pipelines that weren't going to be used anytime soon any way? I think the much more likely explanation is that this was Russia or at least a faction within Russia. They are the actor that has already started a war in this area, has shown completely disregard for treaties and international law, and has been known to act irrationally (eg. by starting the war in the first place).

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> And all of that risk for the very marginal benefit of disabling some pipelines that weren't going to be used anytime soon any way? To ensure they weren't going to be used anytime soon. > Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caught, that is a 1% chance of completely destroying relations their with Germany, Scandinavia, the EU, and probably the entire world. 1. The US has a history of taking insane risks with clandestine submarine ops. Much worse risks than this; they did much that could have provoked the Soviet Union during the Cold War, when both sides were threatening each other with nukes. 2. If Germany/Scandinavia/EU/etc did find irrefutable proof that the US did it, they would probably bury that proof and pretend they never saw it. It isn't in their interest to break from NATO even if America did this and they know it.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Exactly. The US is in a position of power and everyone knows it. We could fire missiles into many countries and they’d just take it for quite awhile at this time.
theironhammer 4y ago
The EU is a Vasal of the USA. The EU is completely dependent on USA for Military protection. Germany cut itself off from Russian gas before securing an alternate source is pure Vasalage.
tazjin 4y ago
They already know that major breaches of trust with Germany etc. have no effect. Why care now?

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> And all of that risk for the very marginal benefit of disabling some pipelines that weren't going to be used anytime soon any way? To ensure they weren't going to be used anytime soon. > Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caught, that is a 1% chance of completely destroying relations their with Germany, Scandinavia, the EU, and probably the entire world. 1. The US has a history of taking insane risks with clandestine submarine ops. Much worse risks than this; they did much that could have provoked the Soviet Union during the Cold War, when both sides were threatening each other with nukes. 2. If Germany/Scandinavia/EU/etc did find irrefutable proof that the US did it, they would probably bury that proof and pretend they never saw it. It isn't in their interest to break from NATO even if America did this and they know it.

bombcar 4y ago
Exactly. The US is in a position of power and everyone knows it. We could fire missiles into many countries and they’d just take it for quite awhile at this time.

theironhammer 4y ago

The EU is a Vasal of the USA. The EU is completely dependent on USA for Military protection. Germany cut itself off from Russian gas before securing an alternate source is pure Vasalage.

tazjin 4y ago

They already know that major breaches of trust with Germany etc. have no effect. Why care now?