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The report also shows how women are disproportionately affected by inequality – of the current ‘62’, 53 are men and just nine are women. I don't think that you

by kleiba 4y ago

The report also shows how women are disproportionately affected by inequality – of the current ‘62’, 53 are men and just nine are women. I don't think that you can claim that the part before the hyphen follows from the part after the hyphen.

lostlogin 4y ago
Equality: the fact of being equal in rights, status, advantages, etc. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/equality?q=Equality https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...
- xupybd 4y ago
  Men tend to occupy the extremes of society more than women. The good and the bad.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  There's a theory that men are more extreme in many ways, so you'd expect them to be overrepresented at both the top and the bottom. This mostly seems to get used to excuse obvious sexism, when it could be spun the other way, women may be the safe choice and we should expect some men to be poor and useless and there's nothing we can do to help them. In this specific case, I think the commenter is technically correct, but also wrong on the big picture.
  - xupybd 4y ago
    The worlds top 62 richest are all outliers. Little can be drawn from them that represents the general population. As men are distributed more to the extremes you'd expect to see more men here. This excuses nothing and explains nothing.
  - kleiba 4y ago
    I don't understand you last sentence. How exactly am I wrong on the big picture in my original post?
    - kleiba 4y ago
      I never disputed that, though - as you say, I only pointed out that it does not follow from the observtion of the gender distribution of the 62.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      You are correct that the logic of their argument is fallacious. But they are also factually correct that women suffer more from the inequality, this may even be explored more fully in the report.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    > There's a theory that men are more extreme in many ways Maybe a bit off-topic, but when i read on X-linked gen defects, i found they are not symmetric between the sexes. There are things like red-green blindness that almost exclusively affects men, while women are conductors (in their genes but its not affecting them). Haemophilia is another example. So there is a class of properties that predominantly show up in men, and this might also include properties that result in greater or lesser intelligence or abilities. This is such an obvious explanation for the greater male variability hypothesis that i think i'm making some dumb mistake here. I'm not a biologist after all. Do we have someone here that can do a plausibility check on it?
have_faith 4y ago
Is it implying that 62 people having such wealth is a problem, but also there should be more equality amongst the people who shouldn't have the wealth in the first place?
- refurb 4y ago
  Exactly. The logical conclusion of that statement is "equality is good, so the fact we have few women billionaires means women have greater equality, which is good". So it sound like we should cheer that so few women are billionaires in the spirit of supporting equality?
hnbad 4y ago
Yeah, I think if those 62 people were all women nobody's life were improved (except for those women, I guess). That note is largely tangential to the claim. The reason women are generally more affected by wealth inequality (i.e. why more women are poorer) is that women generally perform more unpaid labor (e.g. in traditional mixed gender couples, women typically perform a larger share of domestic duties and spend more time raising and nurturing children than men). For a less obvious example: my grandfather was a homeopathic practitioner and when his wife wasn't doing chores or looking after their daughter she would help in the practice as an unpaid assistant. As she had never formally been an employee and thus never paid into the federal pension fund, she ended up on welfare when he died and left her without any savings. We had to teach her the basics of banking after his death because he had always insisted on managing the family finances and insurances. This may sound absurd and careless by modern standards but was culturally normal when they were young. In fact, married women only gained the right to seek employment without the permission of their husbands during her lifetime.
- rightbyte 4y ago
  > women generally perform more unpaid labor If a couple is married, it is not effectivly unpaid if the other part can work becouse of the unpaid labour. The main problem I see is that the woman's carrier might suffer which would be a problem in the event of a divorce.
Cameri 4y ago
That's exactly where this "article" lost me as a reader.

by kleiba 4y ago

lostlogin 4y ago

Equality: the fact of being equal in rights, status, advantages, etc. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/equality?q=Equality https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...

xupybd 4y ago
Men tend to occupy the extremes of society more than women. The good and the bad.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
There's a theory that men are more extreme in many ways, so you'd expect them to be overrepresented at both the top and the bottom. This mostly seems to get used to excuse obvious sexism, when it could be spun the other way, women may be the safe choice and we should expect some men to be poor and useless and there's nothing we can do to help them. In this specific case, I think the commenter is technically correct, but also wrong on the big picture.
- xupybd 4y ago
  The worlds top 62 richest are all outliers. Little can be drawn from them that represents the general population. As men are distributed more to the extremes you'd expect to see more men here. This excuses nothing and explains nothing.
- kleiba 4y ago
  I don't understand you last sentence. How exactly am I wrong on the big picture in my original post?
  - kleiba 4y ago
    I never disputed that, though - as you say, I only pointed out that it does not follow from the observtion of the gender distribution of the 62.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    You are correct that the logic of their argument is fallacious. But they are also factually correct that women suffer more from the inequality, this may even be explored more fully in the report.
- blueflow 4y ago
  > There's a theory that men are more extreme in many ways Maybe a bit off-topic, but when i read on X-linked gen defects, i found they are not symmetric between the sexes. There are things like red-green blindness that almost exclusively affects men, while women are conductors (in their genes but its not affecting them). Haemophilia is another example. So there is a class of properties that predominantly show up in men, and this might also include properties that result in greater or lesser intelligence or abilities. This is such an obvious explanation for the greater male variability hypothesis that i think i'm making some dumb mistake here. I'm not a biologist after all. Do we have someone here that can do a plausibility check on it?

have_faith 4y ago

Is it implying that 62 people having such wealth is a problem, but also there should be more equality amongst the people who shouldn't have the wealth in the first place?

refurb 4y ago
Exactly. The logical conclusion of that statement is "equality is good, so the fact we have few women billionaires means women have greater equality, which is good". So it sound like we should cheer that so few women are billionaires in the spirit of supporting equality?

hnbad 4y ago

Yeah, I think if those 62 people were all women nobody's life were improved (except for those women, I guess). That note is largely tangential to the claim. The reason women are generally more affected by wealth inequality (i.e. why more women are poorer) is that women generally perform more unpaid labor (e.g. in traditional mixed gender couples, women typically perform a larger share of domestic duties and spend more time raising and nurturing children than men). For a less obvious example: my grandfather was a homeopathic practitioner and when his wife wasn't doing chores or looking after their daughter she would help in the practice as an unpaid assistant. As she had never formally been an employee and thus never paid into the federal pension fund, she ended up on welfare when he died and left her without any savings. We had to teach her the basics of banking after his death because he had always insisted on managing the family finances and insurances. This may sound absurd and careless by modern standards but was culturally normal when they were young. In fact, married women only gained the right to seek employment without the permission of their husbands during her lifetime.

rightbyte 4y ago
> women generally perform more unpaid labor If a couple is married, it is not effectivly unpaid if the other part can work becouse of the unpaid labour. The main problem I see is that the woman's carrier might suffer which would be a problem in the event of a divorce.

Cameri 4y ago

That's exactly where this "article" lost me as a reader.