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Why not then blow up the Norway to Poland gas pipeline itself?

by rendall 4y ago

5560675260 4y ago
That would be seen as an act of war and would escalate things quicker than Russia thinks it can handle.
- rendall 4y ago
  You think that blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines would not be seen as an act of war?
  - samastur 4y ago
    No, because it happened in international waters ON THEIR assets.
    - rendall 4y ago
      It didn't happen in international waters. It happened in Danish, Swedish and Finnish waters. Denmark is in NATO.
      - XorNot 4y ago
        And everyone in NATO is doing their best to ignore it, because they know where war leads. People ignore acts of war all the time to keep the peace where nuclear arms are involved. NS1 and NS2 aren't shipping any gas, and notionally are "Russian": dramatic but no change in the status quo. Blowing a pipeline between two NATO members which is shipping gas and imperils their population is very different: NATO can't ignore that.
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      - 5560675260 4y ago
        It happened in their "exclusive economic zones", not territorial waters. Very bad, but still leaves some place for manoeuvre.
AndrewThrowaway 4y ago
Because it would be a direct attack on NATO.
- rendall 4y ago
  The Nord Stream sabotage is not? You know some of the explosions happened on NATO territory, right?
  - AndrewThrowaway 4y ago
    Nord Stream is 51% Russian (Gazprom). Not sure if it is NATO territory or international waters. It still becomes a little bit more "muddy" on who could have made it and who benefits from it. Attacking Norway-Poland line at this point would be a very obvious and very direct attack on NATO.
    - rendall 4y ago
      This is all motivated thinking with "It's Russia!" as the end goal. Some of the NS attacks were on NATO territory. Denmark could invoke Article 5 were it found to be Russia. If "NATO" were in the equation, the saboteurs would have stayed in Swedish and Finnish waters, and even then it's iffy.
      - Paradigma11 4y ago
        Russia has already used radioactive poisons and nerve agents on NATO territory, so that little explosion is nothing.

Why not then blow up the Norway to Poland gas pipeline itself?

5560675260 4y ago

That would be seen as an act of war and would escalate things quicker than Russia thinks it can handle.

rendall 4y ago
You think that blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines would not be seen as an act of war?
- samastur 4y ago
  No, because it happened in international waters ON THEIR assets.
  - rendall 4y ago
    It didn't happen in international waters. It happened in Danish, Swedish and Finnish waters. Denmark is in NATO.
    - XorNot 4y ago
      And everyone in NATO is doing their best to ignore it, because they know where war leads. People ignore acts of war all the time to keep the peace where nuclear arms are involved. NS1 and NS2 aren't shipping any gas, and notionally are "Russian": dramatic but no change in the status quo. Blowing a pipeline between two NATO members which is shipping gas and imperils their population is very different: NATO can't ignore that.
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    - 5560675260 4y ago
      It happened in their "exclusive economic zones", not territorial waters. Very bad, but still leaves some place for manoeuvre.

AndrewThrowaway 4y ago

Because it would be a direct attack on NATO.

rendall 4y ago
The Nord Stream sabotage is not? You know some of the explosions happened on NATO territory, right?
- AndrewThrowaway 4y ago
  Nord Stream is 51% Russian (Gazprom). Not sure if it is NATO territory or international waters. It still becomes a little bit more "muddy" on who could have made it and who benefits from it. Attacking Norway-Poland line at this point would be a very obvious and very direct attack on NATO.
  - rendall 4y ago
    This is all motivated thinking with "It's Russia!" as the end goal. Some of the NS attacks were on NATO territory. Denmark could invoke Article 5 were it found to be Russia. If "NATO" were in the equation, the saboteurs would have stayed in Swedish and Finnish waters, and even then it's iffy.
    - Paradigma11 4y ago
      Russia has already used radioactive poisons and nerve agents on NATO territory, so that little explosion is nothing.