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> RussiaZ for victory Yeah, that seems like a real trustworthy channel... Btw. they were talking about heavy sanctions back in the time.

klabb3 4y ago
Diplomacy, sanctions, sabotage, military interventions.. They're all just a spectrum. Of course it shouldn't be understood as proof the US did it but to ignore that they had a strong geopolitical interest in having NS gone is naive. Would the white house approve it, given that it's partly allied civilian infrastructure, if the risk of getting caught is deemed low? I don't think that's impossible. They spied on those same allies and their top government officals, for instance.
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  Spying is a whole other level compared to physically attacking infrastructure. I'm not aware of any "special operations" from the US on EU soil in the last decades. The only country that is known to do "special operations" and hunting down political opponents on EU soil, is currently rampaging in Ukraine. But for the moment, even the scenario with Russia doing some false flag shit is just a wild guess without any proof. So we'll have to wait for the investigation anyway.
ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
This is a clip of Biden speaking, what does it matter what channel it's posted on?
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  That's the thing. It's a single clip. Where is the rest? What's the context? Is it even the real clip? Those are questions you should ask yourself whenever you see some random internet dude post something. And a channel that posts only the russian side of the story and calls itself "russiaz for victory" doesn't seem very neutral.
  - nopenopenopeno 4y ago
    It’s very well-known. I remember it playing on CNN in February when it happened. There was a lot of discourse in the media about it.
    - BurningPenguin 4y ago
      I looked it up and the conclusion of military force doesn't really add up to it. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-germanys-scholz-stress-unified-front-against-any-russian-aggression-toward-2022-02-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-germanys-scholz-stress-u... As it appears, there were talks behind the stage, because shortly after the invasion they announced the shutdown of certification: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/23/statement-by-president-biden-on-nord-stream-2/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... It doesn't make much sense to attack an ally and - at worst - risk invoking article 5 against half the EU. Especially if the goal was already achieved.

klabb3 4y ago

Diplomacy, sanctions, sabotage, military interventions.. They're all just a spectrum. Of course it shouldn't be understood as proof the US did it but to ignore that they had a strong geopolitical interest in having NS gone is naive. Would the white house approve it, given that it's partly allied civilian infrastructure, if the risk of getting caught is deemed low? I don't think that's impossible. They spied on those same allies and their top government officals, for instance.

BurningPenguin 4y ago
Spying is a whole other level compared to physically attacking infrastructure. I'm not aware of any "special operations" from the US on EU soil in the last decades. The only country that is known to do "special operations" and hunting down political opponents on EU soil, is currently rampaging in Ukraine. But for the moment, even the scenario with Russia doing some false flag shit is just a wild guess without any proof. So we'll have to wait for the investigation anyway.

ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago

This is a clip of Biden speaking, what does it matter what channel it's posted on?

BurningPenguin 4y ago
That's the thing. It's a single clip. Where is the rest? What's the context? Is it even the real clip? Those are questions you should ask yourself whenever you see some random internet dude post something. And a channel that posts only the russian side of the story and calls itself "russiaz for victory" doesn't seem very neutral.
- nopenopenopeno 4y ago
  It’s very well-known. I remember it playing on CNN in February when it happened. There was a lot of discourse in the media about it.
  - BurningPenguin 4y ago
    I looked it up and the conclusion of military force doesn't really add up to it. https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-germanys-scholz-stress-unified-front-against-any-russian-aggression-toward-2022-02-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-germanys-scholz-stress-u... As it appears, there were talks behind the stage, because shortly after the invasion they announced the shutdown of certification: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/23/statement-by-president-biden-on-nord-stream-2/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... It doesn't make much sense to attack an ally and - at worst - risk invoking article 5 against half the EU. Especially if the goal was already achieved.