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Really? Which war crimes and which war? Oh look, a (presumably) russian lecturing me about my country’s history with an OPINION piece, while simultaneously kno

Really? Which war crimes and which war? Oh look, a (presumably) russian lecturing me about my country’s history with an OPINION piece, while simultaneously knowing dick-didly about it. Receipts: https://m.knesset.gov.il/EN/activity/Documents/SpeechPdf/Poroshenko.pdf https://m.knesset.gov.il/EN/activity/Documents/SpeechPdf/Por... https://www.rferl.org/a/1068362.html https://www.rferl.org/a/1068362.html

gdy 4y ago
I gave you this link as a source for the statement of the Ukrainian envoy in Germany about Bandera being like Robin Hood. Perhaps, you will like Israeli [0] and German [1] news more. "The statement made by the Ukrainian ambassador is a distortion of the historical facts, belittles the Holocaust and is an insult to those who were murdered by Bandera and his people," the Israeli embassy said. Polish deputy Foreign Minister Marcin Przydacz wrote on a local online platform that "such an opinion and such words are absolutely unacceptable." And if you want historical information about Ukrainian Insurgent Army, I gave you wikipedia link in another comment here. [0] https://www.israelnews.net/news/272606794/ukrainian-envoy-likens-nazi-collaborator-to-robin-hood https://www.israelnews.net/news/272606794/ukrainian-envoy-li... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-envoy-to-germany-irks-israeli-polish-governments-with-wwii-comments/a-62335288 https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-envoy-to-germany-irks-israeli...
- _glsb 4y ago
  Wait, so you're just going to ignore each point of mine every time I give you evidence and switch to something else? Because right now it looks to me like you're saying "Ignore what you know, pay attention only to the articles I cherry pick for you". Kind of like calling Bandera's collaboration with the Abwehr "nazism", but pretending that it wasn't nazism or even nazi-collaboration, when Stalin signed a pact with Hitler to divide Europe and conducted joint military invasion of Poland in full knowledge of what will happen to the Jewish population there... No visas until you guys work on your own self-awareness! :D P.S. Just to make it a bit easier for you, because I suspect The Cult of the 9th Of May is interfering here, but Ukrainians understand that history is not a Marvel movie - heroes can be flawed to say the least. Just because OUN/UPAs actions were criminal against Poles and Jews doesn't negate the fact that their fight against the Nazis and russians were heroic. THAT'S HOW BAD YOU GUYS WERE.
  - gdy 4y ago
    "you're just going to ignore each point of mine every time I give you evidence and switch to something else" Quite the opposite, I keep the conversation on track and ignore your sealioning [0]. You can't possibly be ignorant about the fate of German civilians when war moved to German territory. Especially about 'which war' was it. "their fight against the Nazis ... were heroic" OUN/UPA didn't really fight Germany. [1] "Just because OUN/UPAs actions were criminal against Poles and Jews" What were you saying about 'ethno-fascist roots'? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists#OUN-B's_fight_against_Germany,_Soviet_Union_and_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati...

gdy 4y ago

I gave you this link as a source for the statement of the Ukrainian envoy in Germany about Bandera being like Robin Hood. Perhaps, you will like Israeli [0] and German [1] news more. "The statement made by the Ukrainian ambassador is a distortion of the historical facts, belittles the Holocaust and is an insult to those who were murdered by Bandera and his people," the Israeli embassy said. Polish deputy Foreign Minister Marcin Przydacz wrote on a local online platform that "such an opinion and such words are absolutely unacceptable." And if you want historical information about Ukrainian Insurgent Army, I gave you wikipedia link in another comment here. [0] https://www.israelnews.net/news/272606794/ukrainian-envoy-likens-nazi-collaborator-to-robin-hood https://www.israelnews.net/news/272606794/ukrainian-envoy-li... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-envoy-to-germany-irks-israeli-polish-governments-with-wwii-comments/a-62335288 https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-envoy-to-germany-irks-israeli...

_glsb 4y ago
Wait, so you're just going to ignore each point of mine every time I give you evidence and switch to something else? Because right now it looks to me like you're saying "Ignore what you know, pay attention only to the articles I cherry pick for you". Kind of like calling Bandera's collaboration with the Abwehr "nazism", but pretending that it wasn't nazism or even nazi-collaboration, when Stalin signed a pact with Hitler to divide Europe and conducted joint military invasion of Poland in full knowledge of what will happen to the Jewish population there... No visas until you guys work on your own self-awareness! :D P.S. Just to make it a bit easier for you, because I suspect The Cult of the 9th Of May is interfering here, but Ukrainians understand that history is not a Marvel movie - heroes can be flawed to say the least. Just because OUN/UPAs actions were criminal against Poles and Jews doesn't negate the fact that their fight against the Nazis and russians were heroic. THAT'S HOW BAD YOU GUYS WERE.
- gdy 4y ago
  "you're just going to ignore each point of mine every time I give you evidence and switch to something else" Quite the opposite, I keep the conversation on track and ignore your sealioning [0]. You can't possibly be ignorant about the fate of German civilians when war moved to German territory. Especially about 'which war' was it. "their fight against the Nazis ... were heroic" OUN/UPA didn't really fight Germany. [1] "Just because OUN/UPAs actions were criminal against Poles and Jews" What were you saying about 'ethno-fascist roots'? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists#OUN-B's_fight_against_Germany,_Soviet_Union_and_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati...