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Joe Biden threatened to do it live on air: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKn8TM47BTc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKn8TM47BTc

FpUser 4y ago
So if they actually blew up the pipeline what would happen if Russia tries to return the favor and do the same to Norway-Polish pipeline that was just opened.
- rocqua 4y ago
  The only believable explanation for the attack on Nordstream I have heard so far is this threat. That is, the supposed idea is to make Europe wonder if any other pipelines could be targets.
  - FpUser 4y ago
    That what Russia could have done. But why do it since it is one thing to blow your own pipe and it is likely an act of war to blow ones that belong to other countries. The consequences for Russia are very bad in this case. My question was to the post that implied that it was the US who blew up the pipelines. If that was the case they have just legitimized the potential Russian response.
    - rocqua 4y ago
      The timing simultaneously with the new Polish-Norway pipeline makes me suspicious. Besides, the US needs Europe to stay on the Ukrainian side. Most likely thing to push Europe away from support is needing Russian gas. Threatening Europe's gas supply is not likely to help the US maintain European support.
BurningPenguin 4y ago
> RussiaZ for victory Yeah, that seems like a real trustworthy channel... Btw. they were talking about heavy sanctions back in the time.
- klabb3 4y ago
  Diplomacy, sanctions, sabotage, military interventions.. They're all just a spectrum. Of course it shouldn't be understood as proof the US did it but to ignore that they had a strong geopolitical interest in having NS gone is naive. Would the white house approve it, given that it's partly allied civilian infrastructure, if the risk of getting caught is deemed low? I don't think that's impossible. They spied on those same allies and their top government officals, for instance.
  - BurningPenguin 4y ago
    Spying is a whole other level compared to physically attacking infrastructure. I'm not aware of any "special operations" from the US on EU soil in the last decades. The only country that is known to do "special operations" and hunting down political opponents on EU soil, is currently rampaging in Ukraine. But for the moment, even the scenario with Russia doing some false flag shit is just a wild guess without any proof. So we'll have to wait for the investigation anyway.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
  This is a clip of Biden speaking, what does it matter what channel it's posted on?
  - BurningPenguin 4y ago
    That's the thing. It's a single clip. Where is the rest? What's the context? Is it even the real clip? Those are questions you should ask yourself whenever you see some random internet dude post something. And a channel that posts only the russian side of the story and calls itself "russiaz for victory" doesn't seem very neutral.
    - nopenopenopeno 4y ago
      It’s very well-known. I remember it playing on CNN in February when it happened. There was a lot of discourse in the media about it.

FpUser 4y ago

So if they actually blew up the pipeline what would happen if Russia tries to return the favor and do the same to Norway-Polish pipeline that was just opened.

rocqua 4y ago
The only believable explanation for the attack on Nordstream I have heard so far is this threat. That is, the supposed idea is to make Europe wonder if any other pipelines could be targets.
- FpUser 4y ago
  That what Russia could have done. But why do it since it is one thing to blow your own pipe and it is likely an act of war to blow ones that belong to other countries. The consequences for Russia are very bad in this case. My question was to the post that implied that it was the US who blew up the pipelines. If that was the case they have just legitimized the potential Russian response.
  - rocqua 4y ago
    The timing simultaneously with the new Polish-Norway pipeline makes me suspicious. Besides, the US needs Europe to stay on the Ukrainian side. Most likely thing to push Europe away from support is needing Russian gas. Threatening Europe's gas supply is not likely to help the US maintain European support.

BurningPenguin 4y ago

> RussiaZ for victory Yeah, that seems like a real trustworthy channel... Btw. they were talking about heavy sanctions back in the time.

klabb3 4y ago
Diplomacy, sanctions, sabotage, military interventions.. They're all just a spectrum. Of course it shouldn't be understood as proof the US did it but to ignore that they had a strong geopolitical interest in having NS gone is naive. Would the white house approve it, given that it's partly allied civilian infrastructure, if the risk of getting caught is deemed low? I don't think that's impossible. They spied on those same allies and their top government officals, for instance.
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  Spying is a whole other level compared to physically attacking infrastructure. I'm not aware of any "special operations" from the US on EU soil in the last decades. The only country that is known to do "special operations" and hunting down political opponents on EU soil, is currently rampaging in Ukraine. But for the moment, even the scenario with Russia doing some false flag shit is just a wild guess without any proof. So we'll have to wait for the investigation anyway.
ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
This is a clip of Biden speaking, what does it matter what channel it's posted on?
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  That's the thing. It's a single clip. Where is the rest? What's the context? Is it even the real clip? Those are questions you should ask yourself whenever you see some random internet dude post something. And a channel that posts only the russian side of the story and calls itself "russiaz for victory" doesn't seem very neutral.
  - nopenopenopeno 4y ago
    It’s very well-known. I remember it playing on CNN in February when it happened. There was a lot of discourse in the media about it.