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because of "economic anxiety", right?

by fundad 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago
Man. Elites realizing they could deflect any criticism of the impacts of globalization and the knowledge economy on the “racismsexismandhomophobia” of the working class was genius.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Its not working though. Trump got elected and Bernie was very close to clinching the nomination. Italy just elected a far right candidate and lets not forget Brexit. If this strategy would actually work, the trend would be going in the opposite direction. At this rate it may just be a matter of time until the Elite's stores of values get "reset".
  - twic 4y ago
    It works pretty well within their own parties. That is, it helps those people keep control of their parties, even if their parties lose control of their countries. For career politicians, the former is more important.
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      No but my point is that trend is going in the wrong direction. The Bernie wing almost took control of the party and Trump? He was a gameshow host and despite all the efforts of the Republican party not to have him nominated he barged in there like a bull and took control of everything. He somehow ended up becoming their useful idiot but the point still stands. How many more election cycles until the Bernie/AOC manage to wrestle control of their party? Then what?
  - dctoedt 4y ago
    > Bernie was very close to clinching the nomination That's a counterfactual. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-close-look-at-sanders-long-shot-bid-to-clinch-the-democratic-nomination https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-close-look-at-sander...
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      I was referring to 2020. The trend from 2016 -> 2020 showed that he gained greatly in his numbers. Yes he ended up losing but this trend supports my thesis that the center is losing its grip on both parties. It could be Bernie 3.0, AOC or someone else but the far left is becoming the new "center" of the party and the far right is becoming the new "center" of the other party.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  For the most part, I oppose abortion and gay marriage because of globalization and the knowledge economy. Just horrific, the effects on my moral position - which was previously anti-abortion and anti-gay-marriage.
- fundad 4y ago
  racism, sexism, ant-gay and anti-islam interests are fiscal interests
  - rayiner 4y ago
    You’re close. They’re related, but the causation runs the other way. Structural changes in the economy facilitate changes in views towards those things. It’s not coincidental that, for example, my contractor who earns his living lifting drywall over his head has different views of gender roles than people who make a living doing knowledge or creative work. To turn the example around. people in my dad’s village in Bangladesh—where you need to have kids to work on the farm—all believe in traditional procreative marriage. Is that a justification for ignoring their economic concerns? It’s a very weird kind of “liberalism” that holds people’s attitudes arising out of their lived experience against them.

because of "economic anxiety", right?

by fundad 4y ago

because of "economic anxiety", right?

Man. Elites realizing they could deflect any criticism of the impacts of globalization and the knowledge economy on the “racismsexismandhomophobia” of the working class was genius.

nebula8804 4y ago
Its not working though. Trump got elected and Bernie was very close to clinching the nomination. Italy just elected a far right candidate and lets not forget Brexit. If this strategy would actually work, the trend would be going in the opposite direction. At this rate it may just be a matter of time until the Elite's stores of values get "reset".
- twic 4y ago
  It works pretty well within their own parties. That is, it helps those people keep control of their parties, even if their parties lose control of their countries. For career politicians, the former is more important.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    No but my point is that trend is going in the wrong direction. The Bernie wing almost took control of the party and Trump? He was a gameshow host and despite all the efforts of the Republican party not to have him nominated he barged in there like a bull and took control of everything. He somehow ended up becoming their useful idiot but the point still stands. How many more election cycles until the Bernie/AOC manage to wrestle control of their party? Then what?
- dctoedt 4y ago
  > Bernie was very close to clinching the nomination That's a counterfactual. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-close-look-at-sanders-long-shot-bid-to-clinch-the-democratic-nomination https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-close-look-at-sander...
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    I was referring to 2020. The trend from 2016 -> 2020 showed that he gained greatly in his numbers. Yes he ended up losing but this trend supports my thesis that the center is losing its grip on both parties. It could be Bernie 3.0, AOC or someone else but the far left is becoming the new "center" of the party and the far right is becoming the new "center" of the other party.
renewiltord 4y ago
For the most part, I oppose abortion and gay marriage because of globalization and the knowledge economy. Just horrific, the effects on my moral position - which was previously anti-abortion and anti-gay-marriage.
fundad 4y ago
racism, sexism, ant-gay and anti-islam interests are fiscal interests
- rayiner 4y ago
  You’re close. They’re related, but the causation runs the other way. Structural changes in the economy facilitate changes in views towards those things. It’s not coincidental that, for example, my contractor who earns his living lifting drywall over his head has different views of gender roles than people who make a living doing knowledge or creative work. To turn the example around. people in my dad’s village in Bangladesh—where you need to have kids to work on the farm—all believe in traditional procreative marriage. Is that a justification for ignoring their economic concerns? It’s a very weird kind of “liberalism” that holds people’s attitudes arising out of their lived experience against them.