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They said Putin's interest, not Russia's interest. Don't make the mistake of assuming Putin will act in accordance with Russia's interests.

by mort96 4y ago

ALittleLight 4y ago
On the one hand, the US explicitly, publicly, and repeatedly threatened to unilaterally stop the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine. The US has a clear benefit in the sense that they remove the option for European allies to buy Russian oil. The US also has the ability to do it in the form of ships in the area. On the other hand, perhaps it's in Putin's interest to destroy his own pipelines for some reason.
- lurquer 4y ago
  Amusing watching the mental contortions posters make to avoid admitting the obvious… It’s like Cirque de Soleil.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    I feel like I've been taking crazy pills
mytailorisrich 4y ago
The key point is that "they" is the Ukrainian war propaganda machine, which is obviously not a reliable source of news or analysis. It is also a classic propaganda technique to differenciate between the awful dictator and its poor people/country. I do not know what happened and if it was deliberate it is not obvious who did it. People should be prudent and not buy into propaganda from either side.
- mort96 4y ago
  "They" specifically referred to /u/yznovyak here, I don't know if they're part of a war propaganda machine or not. But /u/yznovyak talked about what's in Putin's interest, /u/mytailorisrich argued that no, it's not in Russia's interest. All I was doing was pointing out that /u/yznovyak was talking about Putin's interest, which might not perfectly overlap with Russia's. And you're right, pointing out that there's a difference between a dictator and their country is a common propaganda technique. But it's also just true, and if it's not part of your analysis you're probably doing it wrong. And to be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of either side, I don't have any clue who did this and I'm not trying to pretend I do.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    The person I was replying to wrote "Common theme I've heard here (Kyiv, Ukraine)". They (Ukraine) are at war so everything in their media or stated by government and President is part of their war propaganda machine. That's how war works. The West is effectively part of the war so we cannot trust anything we're told there, either. The only thing we can do is think for ourselves. Oh and I've just realised that my initial comment has been flagged! You could not make this up... Very disappointing.
    - mort96 4y ago
      Sorry, you're right. I should've read through the comment again instead of rely on my memory from yesterday. And yeah, there will be propaganda on both sides. That doesn't really change what I said tho.

They said Putin's interest, not Russia's interest. Don't make the mistake of assuming Putin will act in accordance with Russia's interests.

by mort96 4y ago

They said Putin's interest, not Russia's interest. Don't make the mistake of assuming Putin will act in accordance with Russia's interests.

ALittleLight 4y ago

On the one hand, the US explicitly, publicly, and repeatedly threatened to unilaterally stop the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine. The US has a clear benefit in the sense that they remove the option for European allies to buy Russian oil. The US also has the ability to do it in the form of ships in the area. On the other hand, perhaps it's in Putin's interest to destroy his own pipelines for some reason.

lurquer 4y ago
Amusing watching the mental contortions posters make to avoid admitting the obvious… It’s like Cirque de Soleil.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  I feel like I've been taking crazy pills

mytailorisrich 4y ago

The key point is that "they" is the Ukrainian war propaganda machine, which is obviously not a reliable source of news or analysis. It is also a classic propaganda technique to differenciate between the awful dictator and its poor people/country. I do not know what happened and if it was deliberate it is not obvious who did it. People should be prudent and not buy into propaganda from either side.

mort96 4y ago
"They" specifically referred to /u/yznovyak here, I don't know if they're part of a war propaganda machine or not. But /u/yznovyak talked about what's in Putin's interest, /u/mytailorisrich argued that no, it's not in Russia's interest. All I was doing was pointing out that /u/yznovyak was talking about Putin's interest, which might not perfectly overlap with Russia's. And you're right, pointing out that there's a difference between a dictator and their country is a common propaganda technique. But it's also just true, and if it's not part of your analysis you're probably doing it wrong. And to be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of either side, I don't have any clue who did this and I'm not trying to pretend I do.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  The person I was replying to wrote "Common theme I've heard here (Kyiv, Ukraine)". They (Ukraine) are at war so everything in their media or stated by government and President is part of their war propaganda machine. That's how war works. The West is effectively part of the war so we cannot trust anything we're told there, either. The only thing we can do is think for ourselves. Oh and I've just realised that my initial comment has been flagged! You could not make this up... Very disappointing.
  - mort96 4y ago
    Sorry, you're right. I should've read through the comment again instead of rely on my memory from yesterday. And yeah, there will be propaganda on both sides. That doesn't really change what I said tho.