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> I don’t think Windows is ever going to be left behind I do, but not for reasons most people think about. The Windows 11 UI/UX is trying to emulate MacOS. C

> I don’t think Windows is ever going to be left behind I do, but not for reasons most people think about. The Windows 11 UI/UX is trying to emulate MacOS. Clearly, Microsoft is giving the finger to people that use Windows because it's not MacOS. I can't wait for Windows 12 to happen and all the UX things I hate about MacOS get implemented in Windows. Might as well start training my muscle memory to hit the Windows key instead of CTRL now, so that when Microsoft decides that CTRL-X/C/V should be WIN-X/C/V, I'll be ready. Or maybe I'll just switch to Linux. In either case, I'll leave Windows behind.

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com2kid 4y ago
Few years back everyone was complaining Apple was copying Microsoft by going all in on flat UIs. While at MS I did run into the ever present problem of many designers only using MacOS so their designs would basically say "do what MacOS does!"[1] which entailed a lot of work by developers to change the default Windows UI widget behaviors to look like MacOS. Thankfully when I got one of those requests across my desk I was able to point and shout at MS's design language rules and say no. :/ [1] I don't think it was on purpose, I just think many designers have never used anything else and they didn't even realize other UIs exist outside of MacOS and iPhones. These problems started popping up when MS loosened up on their rules about only using MS products for development, it was a needed change but ugh, UX designers and their MacBooks...
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  I can't stand flat UIs. Not having buttons be obviously clickable/touchable is a bug, not a feature, as is having UI elements blend in with each other. I personally use WindowBlinds to make my Windows 10 UI look like Windows 2000. I love having a taskbar that has 3D buttons. I like not having multiple windows from a single program getting grouped together. Windows 2000 (or Windows XP with the Classic theme enabled) was the best UI Windows ever had. It's been downhill ever since.
  - guhidalg 4y ago
    I agree, but I’ve always wondered if flat UIs had a performance advantage. Like, if your GPU just rendered a bunch of rectangles of a single color instead of having to mask rounded corners or draw borders around things, could the UI run with less resources? Maybe it’s conspiratorial but it helps me sleep at night as a remember not finding buttons during the day…
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      Considering we had 3D controls in the Windows 3.1 era when some people were still running on 25 Mhz 80386 CPUs and 4 MB of RAM, I'm not too worried about the performance impact.
ajdude 4y ago
> so that when Microsoft decides that CTRL-X/C/V should be WIN-X/C/V, I'll be ready Already starting to go this route. While you can still ctrl-x/ctrl-v, most of their newer features implement the windows key, including win-v for paste using clipboard history. While printscreen works, you can use win-s to take a screenshot now too.
- Falkon1313 4y ago
  Well as long as printscreen key still works, adding another shortcut is fine. And win+s isn't really that bad compared to Mac's ctrl+shift+alt+spacebar+F4+right-click or whatever it is. Mac has the worst, most bizzare 'short'cuts anyone ever come up with.

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com2kid 4y ago

Few years back everyone was complaining Apple was copying Microsoft by going all in on flat UIs. While at MS I did run into the ever present problem of many designers only using MacOS so their designs would basically say "do what MacOS does!"[1] which entailed a lot of work by developers to change the default Windows UI widget behaviors to look like MacOS. Thankfully when I got one of those requests across my desk I was able to point and shout at MS's design language rules and say no. :/ [1] I don't think it was on purpose, I just think many designers have never used anything else and they didn't even realize other UIs exist outside of MacOS and iPhones. These problems started popping up when MS loosened up on their rules about only using MS products for development, it was a needed change but ugh, UX designers and their MacBooks...

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
I can't stand flat UIs. Not having buttons be obviously clickable/touchable is a bug, not a feature, as is having UI elements blend in with each other. I personally use WindowBlinds to make my Windows 10 UI look like Windows 2000. I love having a taskbar that has 3D buttons. I like not having multiple windows from a single program getting grouped together. Windows 2000 (or Windows XP with the Classic theme enabled) was the best UI Windows ever had. It's been downhill ever since.
- guhidalg 4y ago
  I agree, but I’ve always wondered if flat UIs had a performance advantage. Like, if your GPU just rendered a bunch of rectangles of a single color instead of having to mask rounded corners or draw borders around things, could the UI run with less resources? Maybe it’s conspiratorial but it helps me sleep at night as a remember not finding buttons during the day…
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    Considering we had 3D controls in the Windows 3.1 era when some people were still running on 25 Mhz 80386 CPUs and 4 MB of RAM, I'm not too worried about the performance impact.

ajdude 4y ago

> so that when Microsoft decides that CTRL-X/C/V should be WIN-X/C/V, I'll be ready Already starting to go this route. While you can still ctrl-x/ctrl-v, most of their newer features implement the windows key, including win-v for paste using clipboard history. While printscreen works, you can use win-s to take a screenshot now too.

Falkon1313 4y ago
Well as long as printscreen key still works, adding another shortcut is fine. And win+s isn't really that bad compared to Mac's ctrl+shift+alt+spacebar+F4+right-click or whatever it is. Mac has the worst, most bizzare 'short'cuts anyone ever come up with.