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I've listened to plenty of Putin's speeches. He's a compulsive liar.
by yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
I've listened to plenty of Putin's speeches.
He's a compulsive liar.
- pphysch 4y agoCan you give 1-3 examples of verifiable lies he's told?
- yakshaving_jgt 4y ago1. We are not going to invade Ukraine. 2. We did not invade Ukraine. 3. We are not at war with Ukraine. It takes a special kind of stupid to take Putin’s words seriously at this point. You know what, I’m actually disappointed you only asked for three. There’s a mountain of knee-slappers even just from this year. “We’ve lost nothing” after 50,000 of his soldiers died. It’s like the guy is a fucking five year old.
- eshch 4y agoWell, seems you don't give yourself a chance that your idea of Putin might be a mistake. Not a very comfortable position to think rationally.
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- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoI live in Odessa, Ukraine, and I have had to go to shelter from missile strikes and suicide drone attacks several times in just the past few days. I have also lived in Russia. It can be awkward when the Ukrainians see my old Russian visa in my passport when I cross the border. Where do you live? Ukraine? Russia? How close are you to this issue personally? Got any skin in the game? How many blatant lies are you going to ignore so your Nazi-apologist worldview isn’t compromised? How would you like to see this notification near enough every day, sometimes several times a day? В ОДЕССЕ И ОБЛАСТИ ОБЪЯВЛЕНА ВОЗДУШНАЯ ТРЕВОГА, ВСЕ В УКРЫТИЕ ЧИТАТЕЛИ СООБЩАЮТ, О ВЗРЫВАХ В ОДЕССЕ И ПРИГОРОДЕ. Уточняем информацию ПРЕДВАРИТЕЛЬНО ЕСТЬ СБИТИЕ 2-х РАКЕТ
- int_19h 4y agoThey have also said several times that there won't ever be a mobilization, including at least once by Putin personally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WhnE4VQs7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WhnE4VQs7c
- pphysch 4y ago1-3 are predicated on an "official" declaration of war, which obviously hasn't happened yet. USA hasn't technically "invaded" Syria either, even though it is currently occupying parts of it. Russia is framing their military operation in a way consistent with Washington, which hasn't formally declared war on anyone since like 2003. Do you have any examples that don't require clear technical misinterpretations?
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoLavrov? Is that you? Alright, you dismiss my first three examples. Care to explain the fourth example I provided?
- pphysch 4y agoThe fourth example is just plain bad. I challenge you to find a single wartime leader that hasn't downplayed their losses. You are being deeply disingenuous if you think Putin means literally zero Russian soldiers have died. It's wartime morale management 101. Literally everyone does it, including your favorite world leaders. What I'm really after is if you have any evidence of Putin (or Lavrov, now that you mention him) lying on the scale of "Saddam is gonna nuke the West" or "NATO will not expand one inch eastward". Or has Putin ever openly boasted about his lying prowess, as fmr Secretary Pompeo and fmr Ambassador McFaul did recently? These would be convincing examples.
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoAh, so my suspicions were correct. You are an apologist for fascism. Good day sir.
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- pphysch 4y agoYour bad faith posting is against HN rules. Please do better.