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When does growth stop ? What’s the end-game ? As a techie, Santa Cruz renter and UCSC parent, I sympathize with the author But living here and going to school

When does growth stop ? What’s the end-game ? As a techie, Santa Cruz renter and UCSC parent, I sympathize with the author But living here and going to school here are choices, UC Davis, Merced & Berkeley exist I’m sure someone can complain that I outbid them to rent a house But driving up from Berkeley, seeing the housing issue, the homeless problem, and then saying “this sucks, but make room for me” strikes me as naive

millimeterman 4y ago
> When does growth stop ? What’s the end-game ? Why should the growth stop? People are clearly demonstrating a desire to move to these cities. I see no reason why NIMBYs should be allowed to artificially decide that newcomers are not allowed. Growth will simply continue as long as people keep moving in.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > People are clearly demonstrating a desire to move to these cities. Yes, they demonstrate a desire to move into these cities in their current non-hypergrowth form Then you follow up and make that desire a reality by putting a down payment on a property Talk is cheap
  - millimeterman 4y ago
    I think humans have demonstrated time and time again that densely constructed cities are a desirable place to live. Are there some people that would leave if these cities started loosening zoning and allowing dense construction? Sure - not everyone wants to live in a big city. But I would argue that the net change in population would still be massively positive. Besides, why should existing homeowners get a monopoly on deciding what kind of city Santa Cruz should be? If there is a desire for dense housing, then dense housing will get filled. If you're right that people moving to these cities want suburbia then one would expect new multi-story apartments to go empty. But that's clearly not what happens.
RhysU 4y ago
> What’s the end-game? Step 1: Move somewhere affordable. Step 2: Spend years building an awesome community because you personally endeavor to make it what you want. Step 3: Profit. Notice this is the same process for a fixer upper house. It's just a buying into a fixer upper community. Labor intensive. Higher variability in the outcome but notice much more upside than flipping houses.
rasz 4y ago
>When does growth stop ? >As a ... parent Why did you contribute to the growth?

millimeterman 4y ago

> When does growth stop ? What’s the end-game ? Why should the growth stop? People are clearly demonstrating a desire to move to these cities. I see no reason why NIMBYs should be allowed to artificially decide that newcomers are not allowed. Growth will simply continue as long as people keep moving in.

foogazi 4y ago
> People are clearly demonstrating a desire to move to these cities. Yes, they demonstrate a desire to move into these cities in their current non-hypergrowth form Then you follow up and make that desire a reality by putting a down payment on a property Talk is cheap
- millimeterman 4y ago
  I think humans have demonstrated time and time again that densely constructed cities are a desirable place to live. Are there some people that would leave if these cities started loosening zoning and allowing dense construction? Sure - not everyone wants to live in a big city. But I would argue that the net change in population would still be massively positive. Besides, why should existing homeowners get a monopoly on deciding what kind of city Santa Cruz should be? If there is a desire for dense housing, then dense housing will get filled. If you're right that people moving to these cities want suburbia then one would expect new multi-story apartments to go empty. But that's clearly not what happens.

RhysU 4y ago

> What’s the end-game? Step 1: Move somewhere affordable. Step 2: Spend years building an awesome community because you personally endeavor to make it what you want. Step 3: Profit. Notice this is the same process for a fixer upper house. It's just a buying into a fixer upper community. Labor intensive. Higher variability in the outcome but notice much more upside than flipping houses.

rasz 4y ago

>When does growth stop ? >As a ... parent Why did you contribute to the growth?