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I would like to watch that trial.

by Jemm 4y ago

foxyv 4y ago
Tampering with theft prevention devices can be its own charge or simply be used to show intent. The reason for anti-theft devices like this isn't so much to physically prevent theft, as to require shoplifters to exhibit intent BEFORE leaving the store. If AP catches a person tampering with them then they can be arrested without having to wait for them to walk past the cashiers and doors. Edit: Example from Michigan https://www.michigancriminalattorneysblog.com/tampering-theft-detection-device/ https://www.michigancriminalattorneysblog.com/tampering-thef...
- rspeele 4y ago
  Hopefully my intent could be explained to a reasonable person, as I did make a good faith effort to look for help. It was a quiet evening, about half an hour till closing time with very little business going on in the store. I didn't find any employees walking the aisles, just the guy working the register, who glibly advised me "yeah, you should probably look for somebody to unlock that" and provided no further assistance. Only after another fruitless search for such a somebody did I resort to my DIY technique. Edit: A funny side note, some months prior to this event I had been in the same store to buy a different router bit. On that occasion I did find a very helpful employee who wanted to unlock the bit for me but did not know how. He cut it off the peg with a utility knife on his belt, slicing through the plastic packaging. I was more nervous going to the cash register with that!
  - foxyv 4y ago
    > Hopefully my intent could be explained to a reasonable person. Yeah. For sure! However, AP guys and cops can be pretty unreasonable.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  > If AP catches a person tampering with them then they can be arrested without having to wait for them to walk past the cashiers and doors. Nobody gets arrested for only tampering with the device. > If you are arrested for tampering with a theft detection device, retail fraud, organized retail theft, or any other shoplifting offense it is extremely important to not make statements to loss prevention, police officers, or anyone else about what allegedly occurred. Intent is almost impossible to prove unless the suspect voluntarily admits it during questioning or walks out the door without paying (which speaks for itself). Tampering with the device is not enough to get you arrested. AP/LP may detain you (and the cops may even be called as a show of force). There's only one way you get arrested in this situation.

I would like to watch that trial.

by Jemm 4y ago

I would like to watch that trial.

Tampering with theft prevention devices can be its own charge or simply be used to show intent. The reason for anti-theft devices like this isn't so much to physically prevent theft, as to require shoplifters to exhibit intent BEFORE leaving the store. If AP catches a person tampering with them then they can be arrested without having to wait for them to walk past the cashiers and doors. Edit: Example from Michigan https://www.michigancriminalattorneysblog.com/tampering-theft-detection-device/ https://www.michigancriminalattorneysblog.com/tampering-thef...

rspeele 4y ago
Hopefully my intent could be explained to a reasonable person, as I did make a good faith effort to look for help. It was a quiet evening, about half an hour till closing time with very little business going on in the store. I didn't find any employees walking the aisles, just the guy working the register, who glibly advised me "yeah, you should probably look for somebody to unlock that" and provided no further assistance. Only after another fruitless search for such a somebody did I resort to my DIY technique. Edit: A funny side note, some months prior to this event I had been in the same store to buy a different router bit. On that occasion I did find a very helpful employee who wanted to unlock the bit for me but did not know how. He cut it off the peg with a utility knife on his belt, slicing through the plastic packaging. I was more nervous going to the cash register with that!
- foxyv 4y ago
  > Hopefully my intent could be explained to a reasonable person. Yeah. For sure! However, AP guys and cops can be pretty unreasonable.
jstarfish 4y ago
> If AP catches a person tampering with them then they can be arrested without having to wait for them to walk past the cashiers and doors. Nobody gets arrested for only tampering with the device. > If you are arrested for tampering with a theft detection device, retail fraud, organized retail theft, or any other shoplifting offense it is extremely important to not make statements to loss prevention, police officers, or anyone else about what allegedly occurred. Intent is almost impossible to prove unless the suspect voluntarily admits it during questioning or walks out the door without paying (which speaks for itself). Tampering with the device is not enough to get you arrested. AP/LP may detain you (and the cops may even be called as a show of force). There's only one way you get arrested in this situation.