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You're getting the person's photo ID for their I-9, and it's simple enough to verify employment history before making an offer. Just ask for a photo ID during t

by jjk166 4y ago

You're getting the person's photo ID for their I-9, and it's simple enough to verify employment history before making an offer. Just ask for a photo ID during the interview process as well. I mean they could still have a fake ID but that would be a much more elaborate and much more serious fraud. Really though, for all prospective hires it's a leap of faith to assume performance in the interview will translate into performance in the actual job, and you need to be prepared for that not to be the case. Whatever safeguards you have in place to protect you from someone who isn't as good as they seemed to be should presumably also protect you from someone who isn't who they seemed to be.

ggnnhh 4y ago
The problem is that you hire someone legit that could pass any verification, but the person you talks to once hired is not longer the candidate. If you don’t notice it on day one, it’s almost impossible to detect it afterwards. The fake dev could be somewhat competent even and do a great job.
- jjk166 4y ago
  Okay but you know the name and identifying personal details about the person you verified, and the person you talk to once hired needs to give you their photo ID. If the person you are interacting with doesn't match the photo on their ID, or if the name or identifying information on the ID is different from the one you verified, then it should be immediately clear they are different people. It's the person who interviewed that had to be the fake.
  - ggnnhh 4y ago
    Nobody ever checked my id when starting on a new team. And I never use my webcam so on remote teams the only think they know is the name I give them and my voice.
    - jjk166 4y ago
      And that you accomplish your tasks well enough that they are willing to keep paying you. And that you have the login credentials of the person they were expecting. And you are familiar with the things they expect you to be familiar with. I mean if you can somehow find someone who is able and willing to do your job for you for sufficiently lower than your salary that you'd be willing to pay them and who wouldn't just get the job (and the full paycheck) for themselves without the middle man, then cool, go drink margaritas on the beach while your subcontractor slaves away. As long as they're not like foreign spies or something, why would anyone care?
confidantlake 4y ago
From a candidate's perspective this would turn me off having to show a photo id during an interview. It would be one thing if it is in person and I flash it to them like getting into a bar. But I would not want to send it online to someone I don't know, seems like a good way of getting your identity stolen.
- jjk166 4y ago
  You're already giving them your name, phone number, home address, and extensive details about your past whereabouts. While the idea of an interviewing bait and switch seems incredibly dumb to me, if there is a serious need to verify identity then that's what ID is for. And it's not like it needs to be at the very beginning, it can be the last step before the offer is formally extended, by which point the relationship is exactly as developed as it will be when you submit it for your I-9.

by jjk166 4y ago

ggnnhh 4y ago

The problem is that you hire someone legit that could pass any verification, but the person you talks to once hired is not longer the candidate. If you don’t notice it on day one, it’s almost impossible to detect it afterwards. The fake dev could be somewhat competent even and do a great job.

jjk166 4y ago
Okay but you know the name and identifying personal details about the person you verified, and the person you talk to once hired needs to give you their photo ID. If the person you are interacting with doesn't match the photo on their ID, or if the name or identifying information on the ID is different from the one you verified, then it should be immediately clear they are different people. It's the person who interviewed that had to be the fake.
- ggnnhh 4y ago
  Nobody ever checked my id when starting on a new team. And I never use my webcam so on remote teams the only think they know is the name I give them and my voice.
  - jjk166 4y ago
    And that you accomplish your tasks well enough that they are willing to keep paying you. And that you have the login credentials of the person they were expecting. And you are familiar with the things they expect you to be familiar with. I mean if you can somehow find someone who is able and willing to do your job for you for sufficiently lower than your salary that you'd be willing to pay them and who wouldn't just get the job (and the full paycheck) for themselves without the middle man, then cool, go drink margaritas on the beach while your subcontractor slaves away. As long as they're not like foreign spies or something, why would anyone care?

confidantlake 4y ago

From a candidate's perspective this would turn me off having to show a photo id during an interview. It would be one thing if it is in person and I flash it to them like getting into a bar. But I would not want to send it online to someone I don't know, seems like a good way of getting your identity stolen.

jjk166 4y ago
You're already giving them your name, phone number, home address, and extensive details about your past whereabouts. While the idea of an interviewing bait and switch seems incredibly dumb to me, if there is a serious need to verify identity then that's what ID is for. And it's not like it needs to be at the very beginning, it can be the last step before the offer is formally extended, by which point the relationship is exactly as developed as it will be when you submit it for your I-9.