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what do you mean, exactly what it was that they saw!?!? Kiwi Farms was actively sanctioning stalking, doxxing, and large-scale cyber-harassment against the tran

what do you mean, exactly what it was that they saw!?!? Kiwi Farms was actively sanctioning stalking, doxxing, and large-scale cyber-harassment against the trans community

YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
...all evidence of which was on the very website which they rendered inaccessible. So now that it's gone, all we have is their word.
- johnklos 4y ago
  Are you serious? This has got to be the dumbest attempt to legitimize Kiwifarms I've seen yet.
  - throwawayallday 4y ago
    >Are you serious? Yes? They also convinced web archives to delete their backups of Kiwifarms so we're not able to verify any claims.
    - hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
      "They" the anti-KF activists, sure. I haven't heard that Cloudflare had anything to do with the pressure campaign on archive.org; do you have a source for that?
- omg_ponies 4y ago
  If only there was a way to keep copies of web pages
  - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
    Such as? Archive.org has nothing for Kiwifarms.
    - Zababa 4y ago
      Making archives yourself? 4chan has a constant rotating cast of archive websites, with custom software developed. Internet is not only archive.org and cloudflare. You're a user too, you could make archives. Rejecting the responsibility on two big entities is just too easy.
      - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
        I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I barely even knew they existed until this incident appeared on HN. How am I supposed to know that Cloudflare's response was justified? Given all the bad things Cloudflare turns a blind eye to, this particular thing must be extraordinarily bad, and you know what people say about extraordinary claims.
        Zababa 4y ago
        > I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I wasn't clear here, I meant user of internet in general. What I mean is that while your response may be justified, in reality archiving is a complex thing and forgetting/stuff disappearing is the default. Unless you actively fight against it (for example by archiving, but also personally like using spaced repetition for remembering stuff), you will forget, things will disappear. Lots of people are putting a lot of time and energy to try to remember more stuff, and some to try to forget/make people forget stuff. What may look like a decision by a big company is a constant war fought by people with vastly different opinions and values on what matters. If you consider something is worth preserving, you should try to contribute in your own way. It's small, but I personally save web pages that I like, music that I like, movies that I like, so they can't just disappear on me.
  - variadix 4y ago
    The irony
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Minor49er 4y ago
Did Cloudflare ever say that this is what the reason was, let alone provide any proof?
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throwawayallday 4y ago

what do you mean, exactly what it was that they saw!?!? Kiwi Farms was actively sanctioning stalking, doxxing, and large-scale cyber-harassment against the trans community

YurgenJurgensen 4y ago

...all evidence of which was on the very website which they rendered inaccessible. So now that it's gone, all we have is their word.

johnklos 4y ago
Are you serious? This has got to be the dumbest attempt to legitimize Kiwifarms I've seen yet.
- throwawayallday 4y ago
  >Are you serious? Yes? They also convinced web archives to delete their backups of Kiwifarms so we're not able to verify any claims.
  - hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
    "They" the anti-KF activists, sure. I haven't heard that Cloudflare had anything to do with the pressure campaign on archive.org; do you have a source for that?
omg_ponies 4y ago
If only there was a way to keep copies of web pages
- YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
  Such as? Archive.org has nothing for Kiwifarms.
  - Zababa 4y ago
    Making archives yourself? 4chan has a constant rotating cast of archive websites, with custom software developed. Internet is not only archive.org and cloudflare. You're a user too, you could make archives. Rejecting the responsibility on two big entities is just too easy.
    - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
      I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I barely even knew they existed until this incident appeared on HN. How am I supposed to know that Cloudflare's response was justified? Given all the bad things Cloudflare turns a blind eye to, this particular thing must be extraordinarily bad, and you know what people say about extraordinary claims.
      - Zababa 4y ago
        > I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I wasn't clear here, I meant user of internet in general. What I mean is that while your response may be justified, in reality archiving is a complex thing and forgetting/stuff disappearing is the default. Unless you actively fight against it (for example by archiving, but also personally like using spaced repetition for remembering stuff), you will forget, things will disappear. Lots of people are putting a lot of time and energy to try to remember more stuff, and some to try to forget/make people forget stuff. What may look like a decision by a big company is a constant war fought by people with vastly different opinions and values on what matters. If you consider something is worth preserving, you should try to contribute in your own way. It's small, but I personally save web pages that I like, music that I like, movies that I like, so they can't just disappear on me.
- variadix 4y ago
  The irony

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Minor49er 4y ago

Did Cloudflare ever say that this is what the reason was, let alone provide any proof?

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throwawayallday 4y ago