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Probably due to the recent news about Cloudflare dropping their clients, namely Kiwi Farms, claiming things as severe as "unprecedented emergency and immediate

Probably due to the recent news about Cloudflare dropping their clients, namely Kiwi Farms, claiming things as severe as "unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike (Cloudflare has) previously seen" [1] without disclosing what exactly it was that they saw (also curiously without law enforcement getting involved). To my knowledge, AWS API Gateway has not dropped a client without adequate reason, which is why I'd imagine that Cloudflare is being specifically talked about [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

dave4420 4y ago
To my knowledge, there’s never been a concerted campaign to get AWS to drop anyone as a client, whereas this seems to happen a lot to Cloudflare (Kiwi Farms being the latest example). And anyway, if Cloudflare MITMing the internet is bad, then isn’t them having one fewer client a good thing? (Even if said ex-client would rather still be a current client.)
- NathanKP 4y ago
  Parler was an example of AWS dropping a bad customer, both for TOS violations, and because of a concerted campaign to get all the major providers to drop them.
breaker-kind 4y ago
what do you mean, exactly what it was that they saw!?!? Kiwi Farms was actively sanctioning stalking, doxxing, and large-scale cyber-harassment against the trans community
- YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
  ...all evidence of which was on the very website which they rendered inaccessible. So now that it's gone, all we have is their word.
  - johnklos 4y ago
    Are you serious? This has got to be the dumbest attempt to legitimize Kiwifarms I've seen yet.
    - throwawayallday 4y ago
      >Are you serious? Yes? They also convinced web archives to delete their backups of Kiwifarms so we're not able to verify any claims.
      - hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
        "They" the anti-KF activists, sure. I haven't heard that Cloudflare had anything to do with the pressure campaign on archive.org; do you have a source for that?
  - omg_ponies 4y ago
    If only there was a way to keep copies of web pages
    - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
      Such as? Archive.org has nothing for Kiwifarms.
      - Zababa 4y ago
        Making archives yourself? 4chan has a constant rotating cast of archive websites, with custom software developed. Internet is not only archive.org and cloudflare. You're a user too, you could make archives. Rejecting the responsibility on two big entities is just too easy.
        YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
        I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I barely even knew they existed until this incident appeared on HN. How am I supposed to know that Cloudflare's response was justified? Given all the bad things Cloudflare turns a blind eye to, this particular thing must be extraordinarily bad, and you know what people say about extraordinary claims.
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- Minor49er 4y ago
  Did Cloudflare ever say that this is what the reason was, let alone provide any proof?
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dave4420 4y ago

To my knowledge, there’s never been a concerted campaign to get AWS to drop anyone as a client, whereas this seems to happen a lot to Cloudflare (Kiwi Farms being the latest example). And anyway, if Cloudflare MITMing the internet is bad, then isn’t them having one fewer client a good thing? (Even if said ex-client would rather still be a current client.)

NathanKP 4y ago
Parler was an example of AWS dropping a bad customer, both for TOS violations, and because of a concerted campaign to get all the major providers to drop them.

breaker-kind 4y ago

what do you mean, exactly what it was that they saw!?!? Kiwi Farms was actively sanctioning stalking, doxxing, and large-scale cyber-harassment against the trans community

YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
...all evidence of which was on the very website which they rendered inaccessible. So now that it's gone, all we have is their word.
- johnklos 4y ago
  Are you serious? This has got to be the dumbest attempt to legitimize Kiwifarms I've seen yet.
  - throwawayallday 4y ago
    >Are you serious? Yes? They also convinced web archives to delete their backups of Kiwifarms so we're not able to verify any claims.
    - hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
      "They" the anti-KF activists, sure. I haven't heard that Cloudflare had anything to do with the pressure campaign on archive.org; do you have a source for that?
- omg_ponies 4y ago
  If only there was a way to keep copies of web pages
  - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
    Such as? Archive.org has nothing for Kiwifarms.
    - Zababa 4y ago
      Making archives yourself? 4chan has a constant rotating cast of archive websites, with custom software developed. Internet is not only archive.org and cloudflare. You're a user too, you could make archives. Rejecting the responsibility on two big entities is just too easy.
      - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
        I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I barely even knew they existed until this incident appeared on HN. How am I supposed to know that Cloudflare's response was justified? Given all the bad things Cloudflare turns a blind eye to, this particular thing must be extraordinarily bad, and you know what people say about extraordinary claims.
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Minor49er 4y ago
Did Cloudflare ever say that this is what the reason was, let alone provide any proof?
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throwawayallday 4y ago