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funny to see this. I wish HN would have an option to hide the karma. it's obnoxious. why do you need some ticker to validate your posts constantly staring at yo

funny to see this. I wish HN would have an option to hide the karma. it's obnoxious. why do you need some ticker to validate your posts constantly staring at you?

tux1968 4y ago
It's a substitute (however poor) for the non-verbal signals we get when talking with people face-to-face.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  I don’t follow
  - randomdata 4y ago
    Someone pressing the button allows you to know, with a reasonable degree of confidence, that someone read your message. If you receive no replies or other feedback you would have no way to know if your comment was ever read by anyone. This differs from the real world where you can usually determine by various cues that someone heard you.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about - I’m not saying to remove karma, I’m saying the indicator on the top should be able to be removed if you don’t want to see it. I also don’t really agree that giving a up or down vote really means someone read your message.
      - randomdata 4y ago
        > That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about You weren't talking about anything other than indicating that you need clarification on what face-to-face cues are missing. > I’m saying the indicator on the top should be able to be removed if you don’t want to see it. That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with the aforementioned cues? > I also don’t really agree that giving a up or down vote really means someone read your message. Ultimately they can't tell you anything at all other than that something triggered an event that was recorded in a database. But, assuming bots and programmer error are sufficiently filtered out, you can determine that a human was in proximity to your message and as such it is likely that they read it. Like I said, a reasonable degree of confidence, not an absolute guarantee.
secondcoming 4y ago
I like to think that HN is a site where its users don't care about internet points.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  oh I agree. I don't want to care about internet points. yet, there it is.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  In general, it's not about accumulating points, it is about feeling heard, seen, or valued. I have never checked my account total, but frequently look at post points to see if others are reading or getting value, particularly if there are no comments. I'd rather be contributing than speaking into a void. I could write my HN comments on paper in my office, but don't because I like participating in a dialog or conversation.
- randomdata 4y ago
  I'd rather have a richer analytics system, but I'll take it over no analytics. It is beneficial to know that someone has consumed your work. There is no fun in speaking to the void.
bondarchuk 4y ago
You can set the top bar to black in your profile, that'll make it (and some other things lol) invisible.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Doesn’t work unfortunately - if you set it to black it’s not going to do what you expect (the text is still grey, so you can see it).
dredmorbius 4y ago
Even fairly hidden features can have somewhat insidious consequences. After years of contributing to HN and feeling rather an outsider, I was surprised to find I'd made the leaderboard. Learning to not check that proved to be something of a difficulty, though I tend to do so fairly rarely now. I've had others reach out to me with similar thoughts, and I've had a few email exchanges with dang over the advisability. For the most part, I try to ignore the fact and any specific standing, and take some cold comfort in the fact that others on the list range from insightful to trollish, including several who are or have been in the top-ten, whose rankings are shown without points. Humans are status-conscious and seek feedback on both standing and their own interpretations of reality. Technically-mediated mechanisms for doing this ... tend to be fairly blunt, even in the case of HN's fairly subtle nods.
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funny to see this. I wish HN would have an option to hide the karma. it's obnoxious. why do you need some ticker to validate your posts constantly staring at you?

tux1968 4y ago

It's a substitute (however poor) for the non-verbal signals we get when talking with people face-to-face.

endisneigh 4y ago
I don’t follow
- randomdata 4y ago
  Someone pressing the button allows you to know, with a reasonable degree of confidence, that someone read your message. If you receive no replies or other feedback you would have no way to know if your comment was ever read by anyone. This differs from the real world where you can usually determine by various cues that someone heard you.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about - I’m not saying to remove karma, I’m saying the indicator on the top should be able to be removed if you don’t want to see it. I also don’t really agree that giving a up or down vote really means someone read your message.
    - randomdata 4y ago
      > That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about You weren't talking about anything other than indicating that you need clarification on what face-to-face cues are missing. > I’m saying the indicator on the top should be able to be removed if you don’t want to see it. That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with the aforementioned cues? > I also don’t really agree that giving a up or down vote really means someone read your message. Ultimately they can't tell you anything at all other than that something triggered an event that was recorded in a database. But, assuming bots and programmer error are sufficiently filtered out, you can determine that a human was in proximity to your message and as such it is likely that they read it. Like I said, a reasonable degree of confidence, not an absolute guarantee.

secondcoming 4y ago

I like to think that HN is a site where its users don't care about internet points.

endisneigh 4y ago
oh I agree. I don't want to care about internet points. yet, there it is.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
In general, it's not about accumulating points, it is about feeling heard, seen, or valued. I have never checked my account total, but frequently look at post points to see if others are reading or getting value, particularly if there are no comments. I'd rather be contributing than speaking into a void. I could write my HN comments on paper in my office, but don't because I like participating in a dialog or conversation.
randomdata 4y ago
I'd rather have a richer analytics system, but I'll take it over no analytics. It is beneficial to know that someone has consumed your work. There is no fun in speaking to the void.

bondarchuk 4y ago

You can set the top bar to black in your profile, that'll make it (and some other things lol) invisible.

endisneigh 4y ago
Doesn’t work unfortunately - if you set it to black it’s not going to do what you expect (the text is still grey, so you can see it).

dredmorbius 4y ago

Even fairly hidden features can have somewhat insidious consequences. After years of contributing to HN and feeling rather an outsider, I was surprised to find I'd made the leaderboard. Learning to not check that proved to be something of a difficulty, though I tend to do so fairly rarely now. I've had others reach out to me with similar thoughts, and I've had a few email exchanges with dang over the advisability. For the most part, I try to ignore the fact and any specific standing, and take some cold comfort in the fact that others on the list range from insightful to trollish, including several who are or have been in the top-ten, whose rankings are shown without points. Humans are status-conscious and seek feedback on both standing and their own interpretations of reality. Technically-mediated mechanisms for doing this ... tend to be fairly blunt, even in the case of HN's fairly subtle nods.

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