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> People here are delusional when they go oh, Apple can make a better Carplay integration and easily outsell Ford and Tesla OTOH, why do most people buy a Tesl

> People here are delusional when they go oh, Apple can make a better Carplay integration and easily outsell Ford and Tesla OTOH, why do most people buy a Tesla right now? "How good the speedometer looks" is a pretty good description. Performance is good, reliability awful, UI usability awful unless you like fancy computer graphics. As a car, a Model 3/Y has a lot of compromises and lacks many features other cars have. But that computer screen... To be fair, "image seekers" (traditional automotive terminology) most likely comprise the vast majority of Model 3/Y buyers at this stage. This is an area where Apple has a strong history of success. But I don't think it's a good fit, making cars is expensive and completely different from everything else they do.

mercutio2 4y ago
There’s a lot I don’t like about Tesla. But your list of good/bad didn’t include a single word about the Supercharger network, which is the #1 reason people who want electric vehicles choose Tesla, in my experience. I agree that the big screen is annoying, but I put up with it so I can go on road trips and not rent a car or limp around searching for charging.
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scarface74 4y ago
I specifically don’t want a Tesla because of the shitty infotainment system and lack of support for AirPlay.
chroma 4y ago
People buy Teslas primarily for two reasons: 1. The Supercharger network means you can take them on road trips without worrying. This isn't the case for other EVs which use the Electrify America charging network. 2. They're basically iPhones on wheels. Unlike every other car manufacturer, you get constant software updates and improvements. Since I bought my car, software updates have increased its power by 5%, improved its range estimation, increased charging speeds, and it now drives itself on surface streets (originally it only self-drove on freeways). The UI has also been improved. Similar to iPad OS's dock, frequently-accessed apps are automatically shown in one area. I can also pin apps (or menus within some apps) if I want. A ton of new features have been added. I much prefer the current UI to the version that my car shipped with. This reminds me of the debate over physical keyboards on phones. For years after the iPhone came out, some people swore they'd never give up their physical keyboards. And yes, physical keyboards (just like physical buttons) do have a lot of advantages. But you can't change them with a software update, and you can't change them depending on context. For most use-cases, that flexibility outweighs the lack of tactile response.
- caf 4y ago
  For most use-cases, that flexibility outweighs the lack of tactile response. I think a lot of the downside of the screen interface could be solved if they included some haptic feedback in the screen.

mercutio2 4y ago

There’s a lot I don’t like about Tesla. But your list of good/bad didn’t include a single word about the Supercharger network, which is the #1 reason people who want electric vehicles choose Tesla, in my experience. I agree that the big screen is annoying, but I put up with it so I can go on road trips and not rent a car or limp around searching for charging.

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scarface74 4y ago

I specifically don’t want a Tesla because of the shitty infotainment system and lack of support for AirPlay.

chroma 4y ago

People buy Teslas primarily for two reasons: 1. The Supercharger network means you can take them on road trips without worrying. This isn't the case for other EVs which use the Electrify America charging network. 2. They're basically iPhones on wheels. Unlike every other car manufacturer, you get constant software updates and improvements. Since I bought my car, software updates have increased its power by 5%, improved its range estimation, increased charging speeds, and it now drives itself on surface streets (originally it only self-drove on freeways). The UI has also been improved. Similar to iPad OS's dock, frequently-accessed apps are automatically shown in one area. I can also pin apps (or menus within some apps) if I want. A ton of new features have been added. I much prefer the current UI to the version that my car shipped with. This reminds me of the debate over physical keyboards on phones. For years after the iPhone came out, some people swore they'd never give up their physical keyboards. And yes, physical keyboards (just like physical buttons) do have a lot of advantages. But you can't change them with a software update, and you can't change them depending on context. For most use-cases, that flexibility outweighs the lack of tactile response.

caf 4y ago
For most use-cases, that flexibility outweighs the lack of tactile response. I think a lot of the downside of the screen interface could be solved if they included some haptic feedback in the screen.