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They have no incentive to do actions that damage the environment: Ecology activist organizations are funded by donations, which would dry up completely at the

They have no incentive to do actions that damage the environment: Ecology activist organizations are funded by donations, which would dry up completely at the instant they are proven to be involved in such a disastrous leak.

Anderkent 4y ago
hasn't stopped 'green' parties from shutting down nuclear power, so it's all a question of PR
- henearkr 4y ago
  They did that so that it gets replaced by renewables (but it did not go according to the plan...). And in all honesty, between renewables and nuclear (fission), renewables are clearly a better investment.
gruez 4y ago
What makes you think that ecoterrorist organizations would be the sort of organizations that are registered 501(c)(3) charities and run TV commercials of cute pandas?
- henearkr 4y ago
  Because funds.
  - gruez 4y ago
    My point is that "organizations that conduct ecoterrorism" and "organizations that get funding through public donations" don't overlap. Al-Qaeda isn't running financed through charitable donations from the public, they're financed by shady benefactors. The same is true for ecoterrorist groups.
    - henearkr 4y ago
      No. Because there (currently) is no such thing as an "eco-terrorist organisation" that is not just an eco-activist organisation (funded by donations and governmental subsidies) being disparaged by an opponent. Or do you have examples of what you call "eco-terrorist" organisations?
      - gruez 4y ago
        > No. Because there (currently) is no such thing as an "eco-terrorist organisation" that is not just an eco-activist organisation (funded by donations and governmental subsidies) being disparaged by an opponent. A quick skim of the wikipedia article on eco-terrorism shows this is false. "Arson is a tactic most associated with recent activity in the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). The ELF has been attributed with arsons of sites such as housing developments, SUV dealerships, and chain stores." Looking at the the wikipedia page for ELF, it doesn't look like they're the type of organization that's a registered charity and runs donation drives Further down the article also mentions "Organizations accused of eco-terrorism are generally grassroots organizations, do not have a hierarchal structure, and typically favor direct action approaches to their goals" which seems consistent with the characterization that they're not the types of organizations that are registered charities and rely on their national reputation to get funding.
        henearkr 4y ago
        Yeah car dealer arson, allrighty. Did you notice that two deep sea major pipelines have been blown up recently? Do you think that compares? A car dealer can be set on fire by a single individual, and even one in a situation of extreme poverty. > A quick skim of the wikipedia article on eco-terrorism shows this is false. False yourself. Have you skipped the word CURRENTLY? Moreover, about > grassroots organisations Do you intend to mean that such grassroots orgs would not need PR nor donations? Then no because grassroots organisations that would not raise donations do not have enough funds to blow a deepsea pipeline. > The ELF has been attributed with arsons of sites such as housing developments, SUV dealerships, and chain stores. Yeah right, you see the difference between chain store arson and blowing a deep-sea pipeline now that I'm pointing it to you?

Anderkent 4y ago

hasn't stopped 'green' parties from shutting down nuclear power, so it's all a question of PR

henearkr 4y ago
They did that so that it gets replaced by renewables (but it did not go according to the plan...). And in all honesty, between renewables and nuclear (fission), renewables are clearly a better investment.

gruez 4y ago

What makes you think that ecoterrorist organizations would be the sort of organizations that are registered 501(c)(3) charities and run TV commercials of cute pandas?

henearkr 4y ago
Because funds.
- gruez 4y ago
  My point is that "organizations that conduct ecoterrorism" and "organizations that get funding through public donations" don't overlap. Al-Qaeda isn't running financed through charitable donations from the public, they're financed by shady benefactors. The same is true for ecoterrorist groups.
  - henearkr 4y ago
    No. Because there (currently) is no such thing as an "eco-terrorist organisation" that is not just an eco-activist organisation (funded by donations and governmental subsidies) being disparaged by an opponent. Or do you have examples of what you call "eco-terrorist" organisations?
    - gruez 4y ago
      > No. Because there (currently) is no such thing as an "eco-terrorist organisation" that is not just an eco-activist organisation (funded by donations and governmental subsidies) being disparaged by an opponent. A quick skim of the wikipedia article on eco-terrorism shows this is false. "Arson is a tactic most associated with recent activity in the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). The ELF has been attributed with arsons of sites such as housing developments, SUV dealerships, and chain stores." Looking at the the wikipedia page for ELF, it doesn't look like they're the type of organization that's a registered charity and runs donation drives Further down the article also mentions "Organizations accused of eco-terrorism are generally grassroots organizations, do not have a hierarchal structure, and typically favor direct action approaches to their goals" which seems consistent with the characterization that they're not the types of organizations that are registered charities and rely on their national reputation to get funding.
      - henearkr 4y ago
        Yeah car dealer arson, allrighty. Did you notice that two deep sea major pipelines have been blown up recently? Do you think that compares? A car dealer can be set on fire by a single individual, and even one in a situation of extreme poverty. > A quick skim of the wikipedia article on eco-terrorism shows this is false. False yourself. Have you skipped the word CURRENTLY? Moreover, about > grassroots organisations Do you intend to mean that such grassroots orgs would not need PR nor donations? Then no because grassroots organisations that would not raise donations do not have enough funds to blow a deepsea pipeline. > The ELF has been attributed with arsons of sites such as housing developments, SUV dealerships, and chain stores. Yeah right, you see the difference between chain store arson and blowing a deep-sea pipeline now that I'm pointing it to you?