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It's disturbing to realize that for so many people things like freedom of speech, cultural tolerance and individualism were merely The Current Thing to "support

It's disturbing to realize that for so many people things like freedom of speech, cultural tolerance and individualism were merely The Current Thing to "support" only while it was easy, popular and fashionable. Still, I guess it's better than not realizing it.

rektide 4y ago
Well, the one mortal threat to tolerance is intolerance. Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. I do think polarization lets us see threats as worse than they are. But also: there are very real inside insurgent threats to liberal democracy budding up & spreading quickly, at home & abroad.
- zardo 4y ago
  Is Tchaikovsky warmonging? I could have sworn he died a few years ago.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    I would bet that he hasn't read the article.
- yucky 4y ago
  >Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. Should we add communists to that list as well? After all, how else can you seize the means of production, if not through violence? And well Lenin himself said that "Socialism is the road to communism" so then socialists too? The reality is, the intolerance paradox is non-sensical and only befit to a dystopian world.
- trap_goes_hot 4y ago
  > Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. Nobody disagrees on the principle. "My list is different than your list" is always the point of contention. Or maybe the entirety of the US should be cancelled because they voluntarily voted for leaders who can be considered to fall into that category - multiple times.
- zosima 4y ago
  And the most dangerous warmongers and facists today, may very well believe they are fighting those very same things. But then again I believe germans in WW2 saw themselves as fighting a war for peace.
restore_creole_ 4y ago
> “When I am Weaker Thn You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.” - Frank Herbet, Children of Dune
- tablespoon 4y ago
  I was wondering what the context of that quote was, but I found this: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Louis_Veuillot https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Louis_Veuillot > Misattributed to Veuillot in Children of Dune (1976) by Frank Herbert: "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

rektide 4y ago

Well, the one mortal threat to tolerance is intolerance. Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. I do think polarization lets us see threats as worse than they are. But also: there are very real inside insurgent threats to liberal democracy budding up & spreading quickly, at home & abroad.

zardo 4y ago
Is Tchaikovsky warmonging? I could have sworn he died a few years ago.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  I would bet that he hasn't read the article.
yucky 4y ago
>Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. Should we add communists to that list as well? After all, how else can you seize the means of production, if not through violence? And well Lenin himself said that "Socialism is the road to communism" so then socialists too? The reality is, the intolerance paradox is non-sensical and only befit to a dystopian world.
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
> Rejecting warmongers & fascists is a moral perogative of a society which wishes to remain free. Nobody disagrees on the principle. "My list is different than your list" is always the point of contention. Or maybe the entirety of the US should be cancelled because they voluntarily voted for leaders who can be considered to fall into that category - multiple times.
zosima 4y ago
And the most dangerous warmongers and facists today, may very well believe they are fighting those very same things. But then again I believe germans in WW2 saw themselves as fighting a war for peace.

restore_creole_ 4y ago

> “When I am Weaker Thn You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.” - Frank Herbet, Children of Dune

tablespoon 4y ago
I was wondering what the context of that quote was, but I found this: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Louis_Veuillot https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Louis_Veuillot > Misattributed to Veuillot in Children of Dune (1976) by Frank Herbert: "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."