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That is the overwhelming global intelligence consensus, yes. Even Russian allies aren't fully behind the conflict - if Russia were provoked, allies would be off

by 100721 4y ago

That is the overwhelming global intelligence consensus, yes. Even Russian allies aren't fully behind the conflict - if Russia were provoked, allies would be offering materiel or training, no?

rjzzleep 4y ago
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  > I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side. Would you be able to back up this claim? I haven't seen any signs of support from Russia. Even China says Putin should try to solve the problem with diplomatic means. And India tells him it's not a time for war. I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed.
  - boeingUH60 4y ago
    >I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed. I'm Nigerian...This isn't true (even though our current leader is an oaf). Most African countries aren't supporting Russia...they're just not actively opposing them, and for the right reasons. We're too poor to attempt any sanctions, and we'll rather maintain as much trade as we can with any country. It'll be dumb for countries whose economies are in shambles to enact sanctions against Russia like the rich western countries that can afford to weather economic pain in the short term.
    - aiilns 4y ago
      ...enter Greece.
- dirheist 4y ago
  Hopefully with the UK in economic freefall, Italy electing a far right government and the EU about to have a cold winter, among Russia faltering and losing ground, a stalemate and truce/peace deal will be reached by next year. The rhetoric around this war is too hot and maybe the economic fallout on all sides will show people that we need to cool off.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
    > The rhetoric around this war is too hot In your opinion, what would be adequate rhetoric around a war?
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    On all sides? India has seen massive GDP growth, mostly by acting as intermediary for products that Europe used to refine itself. Europe on the other hand is in recession and has a massive economic crises and rising populism on its hands. While Russia has a small contraction ~2% it's nothing like what quite a few of the European economies are facing. Meanwhile Russian sanctioned companies made more profit since the beginning of the war than the entirety of 2021 thanks to idiots like Ursula von der Leyen and the children book author Habeck. I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware. Hardware does not grow on trees. It has to be built with energy and resources. Where do those come from? Usually when you pick a fight with a big warmachine you don't just dive in nose first, you first build your energy independence and then join in not the other way round. For example the "The Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies" describes this shitshow in the following way: > In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine. If the initial estimate of Russian shells fired is over by 50%, it would only extend the artillery supplied for three weeks. > The US is not the only country facing this challenge. In a recent war game involving US, UK and French forces, UK forces exhausted national stockpiles of critical ammunition after eight days. [1] https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentar...
    - jonnybgood 4y ago
      > I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware. Are we going to ignore the fact Russia just started a draft? Russia is not winning this war. Ukraine isn't entirely either. Russia also has unsustainable casualties (evident by the draft) and military equipment. Russia is depleting it's modern equipment/weapons and relying on more old equipment/weapons that's less accurate and dependable. If Russia didn't call for mobilization to replenish their forces, Ukraine is on it's way to bulldozing Russian defenses like they're currently doing in the Kharkiv offensive.
- bigtex88 4y ago
  > I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side albeit silently. This is one of the most insane things I've read on the internet today, and that's saying something. I'm sure that most of the "global population" is on the side of a genocidal psychopath who thinks that imperialism and wars for territory are still OK. The modern world has moved past this, and past you. Please educate yourself or stfu.
- jonnybgood 4y ago
  > Russia is one of the biggest weapons exporters in the world Not anymore. This war has shown how crap Russian equipment is. Those who are not allowed to buy from US will start buying from China.
  - the_third_wave 4y ago
    ...or Iran which has a sizeable weapons industry, or India. Maybe even North Korea given that Russia seems to be in the process of buying/has already bought artillery shells from them.
anonym29 4y ago

by 100721 4y ago

That is the overwhelming global intelligence consensus, yes. Even Russian allies aren't fully behind the conflict - if Russia were provoked, allies would be offering materiel or training, no?

rjzzleep 4y ago

dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
> I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side. Would you be able to back up this claim? I haven't seen any signs of support from Russia. Even China says Putin should try to solve the problem with diplomatic means. And India tells him it's not a time for war. I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed.
- boeingUH60 4y ago
  >I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed. I'm Nigerian...This isn't true (even though our current leader is an oaf). Most African countries aren't supporting Russia...they're just not actively opposing them, and for the right reasons. We're too poor to attempt any sanctions, and we'll rather maintain as much trade as we can with any country. It'll be dumb for countries whose economies are in shambles to enact sanctions against Russia like the rich western countries that can afford to weather economic pain in the short term.
  - aiilns 4y ago
    ...enter Greece.
dirheist 4y ago
Hopefully with the UK in economic freefall, Italy electing a far right government and the EU about to have a cold winter, among Russia faltering and losing ground, a stalemate and truce/peace deal will be reached by next year. The rhetoric around this war is too hot and maybe the economic fallout on all sides will show people that we need to cool off.
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  > The rhetoric around this war is too hot In your opinion, what would be adequate rhetoric around a war?
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  On all sides? India has seen massive GDP growth, mostly by acting as intermediary for products that Europe used to refine itself. Europe on the other hand is in recession and has a massive economic crises and rising populism on its hands. While Russia has a small contraction ~2% it's nothing like what quite a few of the European economies are facing. Meanwhile Russian sanctioned companies made more profit since the beginning of the war than the entirety of 2021 thanks to idiots like Ursula von der Leyen and the children book author Habeck. I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware. Hardware does not grow on trees. It has to be built with energy and resources. Where do those come from? Usually when you pick a fight with a big warmachine you don't just dive in nose first, you first build your energy independence and then join in not the other way round. For example the "The Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies" describes this shitshow in the following way: > In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine. If the initial estimate of Russian shells fired is over by 50%, it would only extend the artillery supplied for three weeks. > The US is not the only country facing this challenge. In a recent war game involving US, UK and French forces, UK forces exhausted national stockpiles of critical ammunition after eight days. [1] https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentar...
  - jonnybgood 4y ago
    > I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware. Are we going to ignore the fact Russia just started a draft? Russia is not winning this war. Ukraine isn't entirely either. Russia also has unsustainable casualties (evident by the draft) and military equipment. Russia is depleting it's modern equipment/weapons and relying on more old equipment/weapons that's less accurate and dependable. If Russia didn't call for mobilization to replenish their forces, Ukraine is on it's way to bulldozing Russian defenses like they're currently doing in the Kharkiv offensive.
bigtex88 4y ago
> I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side albeit silently. This is one of the most insane things I've read on the internet today, and that's saying something. I'm sure that most of the "global population" is on the side of a genocidal psychopath who thinks that imperialism and wars for territory are still OK. The modern world has moved past this, and past you. Please educate yourself or stfu.
jonnybgood 4y ago
> Russia is one of the biggest weapons exporters in the world Not anymore. This war has shown how crap Russian equipment is. Those who are not allowed to buy from US will start buying from China.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  ...or Iran which has a sizeable weapons industry, or India. Maybe even North Korea given that Russia seems to be in the process of buying/has already bought artillery shells from them.

anonym29 4y ago