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You can still walk right up to the Rosetta Stone in the British Museum. It always has a big crowd around it. Don't bother taking a picture of it, there are lots

by ncmncm 4y ago

You can still walk right up to the Rosetta Stone in the British Museum. It always has a big crowd around it. Don't bother taking a picture of it, there are lots. There are certain rockfaces in Australia covered with authentic hieroglyphs, discovered last century sometime. Some of the glyphs used only appeared in dictionaries in this century. Experts who have examined it date the vocabulary used to late period, close to 2000 years ago, just a few centuries before hieroglyphs were abandoned and forgotten. People in antiquity did get around. Just not always on an industrial scale.

TSiege 4y ago
Never heard of these glyphs in Australia before, but they seem to have been debunked as fake pretty quickly. (Sources 1, 2) That being said, Indigenous Australians of New South Wales (where these phony glyphs are) have done a lot of impressive things themselves and have an amazing history to learn an appreciate all their own. The most famous I'm aware of was the complex societies built upon massive fishery management. (Sources 3, 4) Sources: 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs 2: https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-man/2021/03/the-gosford-glyphs-debunked/ https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Traps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Tra... 4: https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Ancient-Aboriginal-fish-traps-refocus-Australian-history-debate https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Ancient-Aboriginal-fi...
- ncmncm 4y ago
  It is always easy to claim things are a hoax. You don't even need to look at them. How the hoaxers found out about glyphs that had not been published yet seems to need explanation. And that they actually spell words and sentences not about gods or pharaohs, as sequences copied would have. The Ceruti mastodon butchered near San Diego 130,000 ya is one people tried really hard to debunk, and are now forced to admit is real. Nobody has a clue if it was H.s, H.n, H.e, or "others".
  - wl 4y ago
    If you copy signs from a Greco-Roman period inscription, chances are good you'll copy a sign that's missing from some Greco-Roman sign lists. There are just so many more signs used in that period than the earlier periods—and the work of cataloging them is still ongoing. Looking at various pictures, I see many mistakes and the signs are badly copied. Even assuming Egypt sent their worst scribes to Australia, why would they be copying fragments of standard funerary texts—for example—on random rock walls far away from anything resembling an Egyptian burial?
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      What funerary texts?
      - wl 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gosford_petroglyphs.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gosford_petroglyphs.jpg ꜥnḫ ḏt n ḫꜣt... I mean, I'd need more context to do a real translation, but there's the "living forever" thing (ꜥnḫ ḏt) that comes after the name of the deceased, or maybe it's di (sign before is cutoff) ꜥnḫ ḏt ("given life forever"). There's the ḫꜣt relating to a corpse. That text is talking about a dead guy.
  - TSiege 4y ago
    I'm all for accepting evidence when it's there. I do believe humans have been highly mobile for our entire history. Hell, the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians migrated to both Australia and Madagascar, proven by the fact that Madagascans are genetically much more closely related to Aboriginal Australians than Africans. The debunking of these glyphs are quite thorough, and looking at them as a lay person they look quite fresh. There's even a local known nearby aboriginal site that is 250 years old and looks it. As for the mastodon, it's news to me, but I'm highly suspect of any positive findings. I believe humans were in the Americas before the widely touted 14,000 year mark. There's solid evidence that Monte Verde in Chile could be 30,000 years old, but maybe just 14,000 years ago. But either way that's far into southern Chile begging the question of when did humans really first arrive in America. But as I said, 130,000 years ago? I'm skeptical, and so are most anthropologists from what I'm seeing
lock-the-spock 4y ago
I believe up to a few years ago it was the original Rosetta stone, but when I last visited 2-3 years ago it was just a copy (with a sign explaining why).

by ncmncm 4y ago

TSiege 4y ago

Never heard of these glyphs in Australia before, but they seem to have been debunked as fake pretty quickly. (Sources 1, 2) That being said, Indigenous Australians of New South Wales (where these phony glyphs are) have done a lot of impressive things themselves and have an amazing history to learn an appreciate all their own. The most famous I'm aware of was the complex societies built upon massive fishery management. (Sources 3, 4) Sources: 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs 2: https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-man/2021/03/the-gosford-glyphs-debunked/ https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Traps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Tra... 4: https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Ancient-Aboriginal-fish-traps-refocus-Australian-history-debate https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Ancient-Aboriginal-fi...

ncmncm 4y ago
It is always easy to claim things are a hoax. You don't even need to look at them. How the hoaxers found out about glyphs that had not been published yet seems to need explanation. And that they actually spell words and sentences not about gods or pharaohs, as sequences copied would have. The Ceruti mastodon butchered near San Diego 130,000 ya is one people tried really hard to debunk, and are now forced to admit is real. Nobody has a clue if it was H.s, H.n, H.e, or "others".
- wl 4y ago
  If you copy signs from a Greco-Roman period inscription, chances are good you'll copy a sign that's missing from some Greco-Roman sign lists. There are just so many more signs used in that period than the earlier periods—and the work of cataloging them is still ongoing. Looking at various pictures, I see many mistakes and the signs are badly copied. Even assuming Egypt sent their worst scribes to Australia, why would they be copying fragments of standard funerary texts—for example—on random rock walls far away from anything resembling an Egyptian burial?
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    What funerary texts?
    - wl 4y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gosford_petroglyphs.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gosford_petroglyphs.jpg ꜥnḫ ḏt n ḫꜣt... I mean, I'd need more context to do a real translation, but there's the "living forever" thing (ꜥnḫ ḏt) that comes after the name of the deceased, or maybe it's di (sign before is cutoff) ꜥnḫ ḏt ("given life forever"). There's the ḫꜣt relating to a corpse. That text is talking about a dead guy.
- TSiege 4y ago
  I'm all for accepting evidence when it's there. I do believe humans have been highly mobile for our entire history. Hell, the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians migrated to both Australia and Madagascar, proven by the fact that Madagascans are genetically much more closely related to Aboriginal Australians than Africans. The debunking of these glyphs are quite thorough, and looking at them as a lay person they look quite fresh. There's even a local known nearby aboriginal site that is 250 years old and looks it. As for the mastodon, it's news to me, but I'm highly suspect of any positive findings. I believe humans were in the Americas before the widely touted 14,000 year mark. There's solid evidence that Monte Verde in Chile could be 30,000 years old, but maybe just 14,000 years ago. But either way that's far into southern Chile begging the question of when did humans really first arrive in America. But as I said, 130,000 years ago? I'm skeptical, and so are most anthropologists from what I'm seeing

lock-the-spock 4y ago

I believe up to a few years ago it was the original Rosetta stone, but when I last visited 2-3 years ago it was just a copy (with a sign explaining why).