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Isn't that exactly from their playbook? I mean the neofascist book by Dugin about pseudo-geopolitics that they made required reading at the military universitie

Isn't that exactly from their playbook? I mean the neofascist book by Dugin about pseudo-geopolitics that they made required reading at the military universities. "Foundation of Geopolitics" is the name.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
This is every nation states playbook.
- butthatsit 4y ago
  No, it's not. My state never tried to do anything even remotely like what's described as standard practice in the book (and what's provably being done by them here).
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Where do you live and how do you know they haven't done anything like this?
    - butthatsit 4y ago
      This state doesn't even have the agencies that would do it, much less a budget for them. The agencies we have - they have reporting requirements, and these are checked to be accurate by elected auditors.
      - _-david-_ 4y ago
        Where do you live Andorra or Lichtenstein or some place like that which has like 10 people? I can't imagine any country that has some decent amount of people not having agencies who would be capable of doing stuff like this.
        butthatsit 4y ago
        I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Read the book. Very few states would be able to do the things described there, and even less of them (1-3, maybe) could hide it.
        _-david-_ 4y ago
        I think you are grossly underestimating the ability of agencies. If you think only 1-3 countries could actually pull off something like this, then you are wrong.
        butthatsit 4y ago
        I said only 1-3 could keep it secret. More could pull it off, but not in secrecy. Anyways, the main point is that we know for a fact thanks to our constitutional audit office that nothing even remotely like this is being done by our three/four-letter agencies. :-) If you're going to claim that every single random person elected into this office (so several hundreds of people) was coerced into lying to keep it private, not a single leak has ever happened even though this state is not exactly known for its (cyber)security, that they somehow magically generated the funds for it even though we're really not rich at all and every US$ million missing is immediately visible, and that they managed to make everything else check out perfectly as if nothing was happening - then sorry but I think you're being way more than overly paranoid. I don't want to be rude but you should visit a psychologist if you're seriously considering this claim. The thing is, there's no reason anybody here would do it. We don't have anything like the national pride of other nations like the US or even the Russians. We don't care, nationalism and patriotism is considered laughing matter here. The agents would burst out laughing if you suggested a plan like this - even if it was plausible, you'd be seen as insane. The only thing we have is strong anti-communism, so anything that resembles these times is pretty much not possible here - and the newspapers are fishing to expose you for it. Simply put, no, not every state does stuff like this. Don't normalize it.
        _-david-_ 4y ago
- emaginniss 4y ago
  Have you read it? I have. I doubt many countries are studying how to create a Eurasian super-state to take on the western European and American alliance. What you're thinking is a general-purpose Clausewitz or Sun Tzu is actually a very specific book about building a very specific world view.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

This is every nation states playbook.

butthatsit 4y ago
No, it's not. My state never tried to do anything even remotely like what's described as standard practice in the book (and what's provably being done by them here).
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Where do you live and how do you know they haven't done anything like this?
  - butthatsit 4y ago
    This state doesn't even have the agencies that would do it, much less a budget for them. The agencies we have - they have reporting requirements, and these are checked to be accurate by elected auditors.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      Where do you live Andorra or Lichtenstein or some place like that which has like 10 people? I can't imagine any country that has some decent amount of people not having agencies who would be capable of doing stuff like this.
      - butthatsit 4y ago
        I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Read the book. Very few states would be able to do the things described there, and even less of them (1-3, maybe) could hide it.
        _-david-_ 4y ago
        I think you are grossly underestimating the ability of agencies. If you think only 1-3 countries could actually pull off something like this, then you are wrong.
        butthatsit 4y ago
        I said only 1-3 could keep it secret. More could pull it off, but not in secrecy. Anyways, the main point is that we know for a fact thanks to our constitutional audit office that nothing even remotely like this is being done by our three/four-letter agencies. :-) If you're going to claim that every single random person elected into this office (so several hundreds of people) was coerced into lying to keep it private, not a single leak has ever happened even though this state is not exactly known for its (cyber)security, that they somehow magically generated the funds for it even though we're really not rich at all and every US$ million missing is immediately visible, and that they managed to make everything else check out perfectly as if nothing was happening - then sorry but I think you're being way more than overly paranoid. I don't want to be rude but you should visit a psychologist if you're seriously considering this claim. The thing is, there's no reason anybody here would do it. We don't have anything like the national pride of other nations like the US or even the Russians. We don't care, nationalism and patriotism is considered laughing matter here. The agents would burst out laughing if you suggested a plan like this - even if it was plausible, you'd be seen as insane. The only thing we have is strong anti-communism, so anything that resembles these times is pretty much not possible here - and the newspapers are fishing to expose you for it. Simply put, no, not every state does stuff like this. Don't normalize it.
        _-david-_ 4y ago
emaginniss 4y ago
Have you read it? I have. I doubt many countries are studying how to create a Eurasian super-state to take on the western European and American alliance. What you're thinking is a general-purpose Clausewitz or Sun Tzu is actually a very specific book about building a very specific world view.