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Feb 7, 2022 > Biden: “If Russia invades -- that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” >

by bdg 4y ago

Feb 7, 2022 > Biden: “If Russia invades -- that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” > Journalist: “But how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?” > Biden: “We will, I promise you, we’ll be able to do it,” Biden replied. I don't want to play conspiracy guy, but the statement stuck in my mind since he said it.

aa-jv 4y ago
Its not a conspiracy - the US has long wanted a reason/justification for turning off Germany's gas. I guess this is happening, now.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  > A conspiracy (...) is a secret plan or agreement between persons (called conspirers or conspirators) for an unlawful or harmful purpose, (...) especially with political motivation, while keeping their agreement secret from the public or from other people affected by it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy It is a conspiracy.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Not a conspiracy: Biden himself stated - quite publically - that they would do it. It has been done. Did you not read the quote? Besides which, the US unilaterally gives itself the right to do these sorts of things at its own discretion on a regular basis.
    - CentralHarvest 4y ago
      It's certainly a conspiracy in the sense that the USA and its functionaries are not going to be coming out and directly saying "sure, we blew up Nordstream to remove a Russian bargaining chip and prevent Germany from suing for peace."
      - cassianoleal 4y ago
        They've also not publicised the plan. That stays secret. The plan is the conspiracy.
    - notdonspaulding 4y ago
      > Not a conspiracy: Biden himself stated - quite publically - that they would do it. It has been done. I have no strong opinions yet in the argument over whether or not the USA conspired to sabotage the NS pipelines. I'm just here to point out that secrecy is not a required part of a conspiracy. The literal translation of "conspire" from Latin would be something like "to breathe together", insinuating a synchronization of movements, a plotting together. But, in our world today, all conspiracies (both confirmed and theoretical conspiracies) seem to get bucketed together. And so in common parlance, as soon as a thing is publicly confirmed as actually happening, in most people's minds it moves out of the "Conspiracy" bucket into the "History" bucket. But that's just a loss of language on our part. As always, my go-to resource in recovering the meanings of English words is Webster's 1828. https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/conspiracy https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/conspiracy

by bdg 4y ago

aa-jv 4y ago

Its not a conspiracy - the US has long wanted a reason/justification for turning off Germany's gas. I guess this is happening, now.

cassianoleal 4y ago
> A conspiracy (...) is a secret plan or agreement between persons (called conspirers or conspirators) for an unlawful or harmful purpose, (...) especially with political motivation, while keeping their agreement secret from the public or from other people affected by it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy It is a conspiracy.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  Not a conspiracy: Biden himself stated - quite publically - that they would do it. It has been done. Did you not read the quote? Besides which, the US unilaterally gives itself the right to do these sorts of things at its own discretion on a regular basis.
  - CentralHarvest 4y ago
    It's certainly a conspiracy in the sense that the USA and its functionaries are not going to be coming out and directly saying "sure, we blew up Nordstream to remove a Russian bargaining chip and prevent Germany from suing for peace."
    - cassianoleal 4y ago
      They've also not publicised the plan. That stays secret. The plan is the conspiracy.
  - notdonspaulding 4y ago
    > Not a conspiracy: Biden himself stated - quite publically - that they would do it. It has been done. I have no strong opinions yet in the argument over whether or not the USA conspired to sabotage the NS pipelines. I'm just here to point out that secrecy is not a required part of a conspiracy. The literal translation of "conspire" from Latin would be something like "to breathe together", insinuating a synchronization of movements, a plotting together. But, in our world today, all conspiracies (both confirmed and theoretical conspiracies) seem to get bucketed together. And so in common parlance, as soon as a thing is publicly confirmed as actually happening, in most people's minds it moves out of the "Conspiracy" bucket into the "History" bucket. But that's just a loss of language on our part. As always, my go-to resource in recovering the meanings of English words is Webster's 1828. https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/conspiracy https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/conspiracy