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Try the macbook pro 16 speakers. They are decent-ish I find it funny that a lot of HN posts will expound in expletives about how a certain tech product is the

Try the macbook pro 16 speakers. They are decent-ish I find it funny that a lot of HN posts will expound in expletives about how a certain tech product is the best in class for example, how great macbook pro speakers are and then another poster will say that no laptop has ever had decent speakers… Also, in one post “this dolby surround atmos reproduces everything about the concert, with hundreds of musicians it’s like I’m there” and then in the next post “speakers will never reproduce even the sound of one acoustic piano that’s been mistreated and mistuned, the piano will still sound better and the speaker will never replicate the magic of acoustic instruments” and then in the very next post start quoting how the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem proves that nobody ever needs anything over 44khz to reproduce exactly the sound of all acoustic instruments that ever existed. The story, as always, is more complex than any of these hot takes, and tech folks usually refuse to accept that there are multiple factors at play.

AlecSchueler 4y ago
Best in class doesn't have to mean they're good, if they whole class was abysmal to begin with.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Who's the best-in-class dictator? Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, or Franco?
  - hilbert42 4y ago
    I've a firm opinion on that and it doesn't follow the usual orthodoxy (that's if anyone's counting). It's off-topic so I'll only add that they were all despicable ratbags that the world could have done well without.
midoridensha 4y ago
>I find it funny that a lot of HN posts will expound in expletives about how a certain tech product is the best in class for example, how great macbook pro speakers are and then another poster will say that no laptop has ever had decent speakers… This is not contradictory at all. "Best in class" means exactly that: the best out of the available selections. If they're all terrible, the best-in-class is the least terrible. MBP speakers may be best-in-class (I'm assuming, I don't know), while still being "crap" to someone who values high-fidelity sound.
- barkingcat 4y ago
  You can try listening to them, some stores have demo models, etc.

AlecSchueler 4y ago

Best in class doesn't have to mean they're good, if they whole class was abysmal to begin with.

midoridensha 4y ago
Who's the best-in-class dictator? Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, or Franco?
- hilbert42 4y ago
  I've a firm opinion on that and it doesn't follow the usual orthodoxy (that's if anyone's counting). It's off-topic so I'll only add that they were all despicable ratbags that the world could have done well without.

midoridensha 4y ago

>I find it funny that a lot of HN posts will expound in expletives about how a certain tech product is the best in class for example, how great macbook pro speakers are and then another poster will say that no laptop has ever had decent speakers… This is not contradictory at all. "Best in class" means exactly that: the best out of the available selections. If they're all terrible, the best-in-class is the least terrible. MBP speakers may be best-in-class (I'm assuming, I don't know), while still being "crap" to someone who values high-fidelity sound.

barkingcat 4y ago
You can try listening to them, some stores have demo models, etc.