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Re Certainty. I'm pretty sure if you do work, as contractually agreed, the contract requires you be paid for that work. It's just a contract agreeing rates fo

Re Certainty. I'm pretty sure if you do work, as contractually agreed, the contract requires you be paid for that work. It's just a contract agreeing rates for work done, not a contract guaranteeing work will be done.

ajross 4y ago
> I'm pretty sure if you do work, as contractually agreed, the contract requires you be paid for that work. Yes it does (and I even said so in the comment you replied to), but compensation plans, raises, offer letters, etc... are not payment for work done, and are not contracts for work for the reason stated. These Amazon folks aren't getting a penny, and it absolutely stuns me that people want to argue otherwise.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  They get paid for the previous work they have done (two weeks, half month, one month, depending on pay period). That’s theirs. But going forward, they don’t have any right to any level of pay above minimum wage. I’ve personally dealt with this. I had an employer run out of money and be acquired by a new company. The new company owes paychecks for last pay period, but wants to pay everyone lower salaries. Going forward the new company could pay whatever (above minimum wage). But they owned all the debts of the previous company including that last months wage. We only had at will hiring agreements, but that didnt matter.
- benj111 4y ago
  I was replying to >note that at-will employment simply lacks several (the big one being "certainty"). In particular a "contract" that says "you can do whatever" is clearly not a contract under common law. Which was in reply to a comment about every job having a contract. Further your other examples could be contractually enforced. If you accepted an employment contract based on the compensation plan, that forms part of the contract. Raises are updates to the contract, unless you're saying it's potentially ok to claw back 40 years of pay raises when some one retires. Offer letters are probably more questionable but if there's a specific start date and pay has already been discussed, it seems to me that that would form a contract. The key thing in this particular situation seems to be that there was an error, and the error was rectified quickly.

ajross 4y ago

> I'm pretty sure if you do work, as contractually agreed, the contract requires you be paid for that work. Yes it does (and I even said so in the comment you replied to), but compensation plans, raises, offer letters, etc... are not payment for work done, and are not contracts for work for the reason stated. These Amazon folks aren't getting a penny, and it absolutely stuns me that people want to argue otherwise.

pyuser583 4y ago
They get paid for the previous work they have done (two weeks, half month, one month, depending on pay period). That’s theirs. But going forward, they don’t have any right to any level of pay above minimum wage. I’ve personally dealt with this. I had an employer run out of money and be acquired by a new company. The new company owes paychecks for last pay period, but wants to pay everyone lower salaries. Going forward the new company could pay whatever (above minimum wage). But they owned all the debts of the previous company including that last months wage. We only had at will hiring agreements, but that didnt matter.
benj111 4y ago
I was replying to >note that at-will employment simply lacks several (the big one being "certainty"). In particular a "contract" that says "you can do whatever" is clearly not a contract under common law. Which was in reply to a comment about every job having a contract. Further your other examples could be contractually enforced. If you accepted an employment contract based on the compensation plan, that forms part of the contract. Raises are updates to the contract, unless you're saying it's potentially ok to claw back 40 years of pay raises when some one retires. Offer letters are probably more questionable but if there's a specific start date and pay has already been discussed, it seems to me that that would form a contract. The key thing in this particular situation seems to be that there was an error, and the error was rectified quickly.