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Any of it, really. There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer, but this is getting rare, unfortunately. > I'm so confused why you say that a brand

by ls15 4y ago

Any of it, really. There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer, but this is getting rare, unfortunately. > I'm so confused why you say that a brand new EV is competing with a decade old petrol car If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive.

gambiting 4y ago
>>Any of it, really. I mean, sure, but then the argument is that this car literally has a battery, EV motor, one ECU, cabling for the brakes and the AC, and....that's about it? Yes you won't open the battery or the motor in your driveway, but other parts are no more complicated than in a normal car, and there's very very very few of them. I know some people who have already put 100kkm on these cars and the only thing they had to change was tyres - even the brakes don't wear out at all because you just use regenerative breaking. >>If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive. Yes, but why were you comparing a brand new EV to a decade old petrol car? >>There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer I just want to add to this - I think maybe that is true, but that must be 0.00001% of drivers who have that ability, if not less. I used to have a Fiat Cinquecento, you couldn't imagine a simpler car(mechanically), it didn't really have electric anything on it other than lights, and I still wouldn't have any clue how to fix an engine issue for instance. I could replace the brakes or suspension elements myself, but I can do that in the e-Up too.
- ls15 4y ago
  The initial question was about cost difference between EV and ICEV. I think it is fair to compare the cheapest of both options.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Well then let's compare a 10 year old EV(like a Nissan Leaf) vs a 10 year old ICE, not a brand new EV vs 10 year old ICE?
    - ls15 4y ago
      Then I am still looking at a 5x price difference and a massive difference in range.
fragmede 4y ago
For hammer-grade fixing, EVs are way simpler than an ICE, which consists of tens of thousands of precision machines parts to control thousands of expositions every second. An EV is a battery pack, some power electronics, and two wires going to a motor. And a couple other parts if you wanna get fancy, but seriously, EVs are dramatically simpler than an ICE to the point that it’s not even funny. Don’t let BigAuto and BigEV confuse you. If you’re able to keep a thirty year old ICE car running, you can build your own EV. And if you build your own, you can be sure it’s not phoning home. If you’re looking at the cheapest end of the spectrum, try looking at golf carts or importing something from China. $4,000 gets you quite the cart, well within the price range of a used, old ICE vehicle. And likely competitive too - my sister’s last car was an old (ICE) beater and couldn’t go fast enough for the freeway.

by ls15 4y ago

gambiting 4y ago

>>Any of it, really. I mean, sure, but then the argument is that this car literally has a battery, EV motor, one ECU, cabling for the brakes and the AC, and....that's about it? Yes you won't open the battery or the motor in your driveway, but other parts are no more complicated than in a normal car, and there's very very very few of them. I know some people who have already put 100kkm on these cars and the only thing they had to change was tyres - even the brakes don't wear out at all because you just use regenerative breaking. >>If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive. Yes, but why were you comparing a brand new EV to a decade old petrol car? >>There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer I just want to add to this - I think maybe that is true, but that must be 0.00001% of drivers who have that ability, if not less. I used to have a Fiat Cinquecento, you couldn't imagine a simpler car(mechanically), it didn't really have electric anything on it other than lights, and I still wouldn't have any clue how to fix an engine issue for instance. I could replace the brakes or suspension elements myself, but I can do that in the e-Up too.

ls15 4y ago
The initial question was about cost difference between EV and ICEV. I think it is fair to compare the cheapest of both options.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Well then let's compare a 10 year old EV(like a Nissan Leaf) vs a 10 year old ICE, not a brand new EV vs 10 year old ICE?
  - ls15 4y ago
    Then I am still looking at a 5x price difference and a massive difference in range.

fragmede 4y ago

For hammer-grade fixing, EVs are way simpler than an ICE, which consists of tens of thousands of precision machines parts to control thousands of expositions every second. An EV is a battery pack, some power electronics, and two wires going to a motor. And a couple other parts if you wanna get fancy, but seriously, EVs are dramatically simpler than an ICE to the point that it’s not even funny. Don’t let BigAuto and BigEV confuse you. If you’re able to keep a thirty year old ICE car running, you can build your own EV. And if you build your own, you can be sure it’s not phoning home. If you’re looking at the cheapest end of the spectrum, try looking at golf carts or importing something from China. $4,000 gets you quite the cart, well within the price range of a used, old ICE vehicle. And likely competitive too - my sister’s last car was an old (ICE) beater and couldn’t go fast enough for the freeway.