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More affordable than Tesla, but still 10x of the cheap used ICEV that they are competing with. But basic? https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/interior-design-a

by ls15 4y ago

More affordable than Tesla, but still 10x of the cheap used ICEV that they are competing with. But basic? https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/interior-design-and-technology-seat-mii/ https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/interior-design-and-techn... > The Mii doesn’t offer a built-in touchscreen – not even as an option. Instead, it comes fitted with a smartphone dock located on top of the dash. While it may appear low-tech compared to its rivals, it does the job by allowing the driver to link their phone to the car via two apps: Mii Drive and SEAT Connect. The latter provides remote access and management of the vehicle, so drivers can review driving data, parking position, the vehicle’s status, including doors and lights, manage the charging process via the e-Manager and the ability to control air-conditioning remotely from the app. How to repair this at home if it breaks? Can I make sure that my car does not send any data to the manufacturer?

gambiting 4y ago
I mean, I have the e-UP so I can answer any questions you have I suppose. Yes, you can make sure the car doesn't communicate with the VW servers - either through the option in the menus, or if you don't trust that just pull out the SIM card below the dash. >>How to repair this at home if it breaks? If what breaks? >>but still 10x of the cheap used ICEV they are competing with I'm so confused why you say that a brand new EV is competing with a decade old petrol car(because only those will be 10x cheaper)? Like.....when I was car shopping it hasn't even crossed my mind to look at cars that old. I want a warranty and I want a very basic EV car - a decade old petrol car fulfils neither requirement.
- ls15 4y ago
  Any of it, really. There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer, but this is getting rare, unfortunately. > I'm so confused why you say that a brand new EV is competing with a decade old petrol car If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    >>Any of it, really. I mean, sure, but then the argument is that this car literally has a battery, EV motor, one ECU, cabling for the brakes and the AC, and....that's about it? Yes you won't open the battery or the motor in your driveway, but other parts are no more complicated than in a normal car, and there's very very very few of them. I know some people who have already put 100kkm on these cars and the only thing they had to change was tyres - even the brakes don't wear out at all because you just use regenerative breaking. >>If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive. Yes, but why were you comparing a brand new EV to a decade old petrol car? >>There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer I just want to add to this - I think maybe that is true, but that must be 0.00001% of drivers who have that ability, if not less. I used to have a Fiat Cinquecento, you couldn't imagine a simpler car(mechanically), it didn't really have electric anything on it other than lights, and I still wouldn't have any clue how to fix an engine issue for instance. I could replace the brakes or suspension elements myself, but I can do that in the e-Up too.
    - ls15 4y ago
      The initial question was about cost difference between EV and ICEV. I think it is fair to compare the cheapest of both options.
      - gambiting 4y ago
        Well then let's compare a 10 year old EV(like a Nissan Leaf) vs a 10 year old ICE, not a brand new EV vs 10 year old ICE?
        ls15 4y ago
        Then I am still looking at a 5x price difference and a massive difference in range.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    For hammer-grade fixing, EVs are way simpler than an ICE, which consists of tens of thousands of precision machines parts to control thousands of expositions every second. An EV is a battery pack, some power electronics, and two wires going to a motor. And a couple other parts if you wanna get fancy, but seriously, EVs are dramatically simpler than an ICE to the point that it’s not even funny. Don’t let BigAuto and BigEV confuse you. If you’re able to keep a thirty year old ICE car running, you can build your own EV. And if you build your own, you can be sure it’s not phoning home. If you’re looking at the cheapest end of the spectrum, try looking at golf carts or importing something from China. $4,000 gets you quite the cart, well within the price range of a used, old ICE vehicle. And likely competitive too - my sister’s last car was an old (ICE) beater and couldn’t go fast enough for the freeway.

by ls15 4y ago

gambiting 4y ago

I mean, I have the e-UP so I can answer any questions you have I suppose. Yes, you can make sure the car doesn't communicate with the VW servers - either through the option in the menus, or if you don't trust that just pull out the SIM card below the dash. >>How to repair this at home if it breaks? If what breaks? >>but still 10x of the cheap used ICEV they are competing with I'm so confused why you say that a brand new EV is competing with a decade old petrol car(because only those will be 10x cheaper)? Like.....when I was car shopping it hasn't even crossed my mind to look at cars that old. I want a warranty and I want a very basic EV car - a decade old petrol car fulfils neither requirement.

ls15 4y ago
Any of it, really. There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer, but this is getting rare, unfortunately. > I'm so confused why you say that a brand new EV is competing with a decade old petrol car If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive.
- gambiting 4y ago
  >>Any of it, really. I mean, sure, but then the argument is that this car literally has a battery, EV motor, one ECU, cabling for the brakes and the AC, and....that's about it? Yes you won't open the battery or the motor in your driveway, but other parts are no more complicated than in a normal car, and there's very very very few of them. I know some people who have already put 100kkm on these cars and the only thing they had to change was tyres - even the brakes don't wear out at all because you just use regenerative breaking. >>If people want to buy the cheapest vehicle, then they are limited to ICEV, because the cheapest EV is much more expensive. Yes, but why were you comparing a brand new EV to a decade old petrol car? >>There are cars that you can fix at home with a hammer I just want to add to this - I think maybe that is true, but that must be 0.00001% of drivers who have that ability, if not less. I used to have a Fiat Cinquecento, you couldn't imagine a simpler car(mechanically), it didn't really have electric anything on it other than lights, and I still wouldn't have any clue how to fix an engine issue for instance. I could replace the brakes or suspension elements myself, but I can do that in the e-Up too.
  - ls15 4y ago
    The initial question was about cost difference between EV and ICEV. I think it is fair to compare the cheapest of both options.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Well then let's compare a 10 year old EV(like a Nissan Leaf) vs a 10 year old ICE, not a brand new EV vs 10 year old ICE?
      - ls15 4y ago
        Then I am still looking at a 5x price difference and a massive difference in range.
- fragmede 4y ago
  For hammer-grade fixing, EVs are way simpler than an ICE, which consists of tens of thousands of precision machines parts to control thousands of expositions every second. An EV is a battery pack, some power electronics, and two wires going to a motor. And a couple other parts if you wanna get fancy, but seriously, EVs are dramatically simpler than an ICE to the point that it’s not even funny. Don’t let BigAuto and BigEV confuse you. If you’re able to keep a thirty year old ICE car running, you can build your own EV. And if you build your own, you can be sure it’s not phoning home. If you’re looking at the cheapest end of the spectrum, try looking at golf carts or importing something from China. $4,000 gets you quite the cart, well within the price range of a used, old ICE vehicle. And likely competitive too - my sister’s last car was an old (ICE) beater and couldn’t go fast enough for the freeway.