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Any opponent could cheat at anytime. Cheating in chess is a fact of life, and can't be stopped. Other professional sports have mostly come to terms with this, a

Any opponent could cheat at anytime. Cheating in chess is a fact of life, and can't be stopped. Other professional sports have mostly come to terms with this, and chess needs to as well. When you have proof of cheating the sport's authorities take action (not individual players). When you don't you let the games go on knowing some folks are getting away with it sometimes.

asimpletune 4y ago
The thing is that FIDE isn't really doing anything. This has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, but what they really need to do is take this seriously and hire magicians, GM's, ex-intelligence, etc... to assess the situation and with transparency provide recommendations on how to move forward. If you look at FIDE's statement, they basically said they were made that Magnus did this and they're using "sophisticated" techniques to prevent cheating. I don't think that is a responsible way to act, given that this presents an existential threat to the sport. With today's system, there is no way to get proof of cheating, without catching someone red handed, and there's no way to bring awareness because FIDE is either not interested, incompetent, or both. Also, there might be a lot of cheating in chess, and it could be just an ugly secret that they're protecting.
- uup 4y ago
  If you look at FIDE’s statement, all they did is ask for a single shred of evidence that Niemann is cheating OTB.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  It's almost impossible to detect cheating, but it's trivial to statistically find a cheater from many thousands of online games that he has to play online to get to this level.
  - me_me_me 4y ago
    > it's trivial to statistically find a cheater from many thousands of online games you assume that cheater is stupid and uses cheats for every move in every game. If you use engine as a crutch to stop you from blundering and suggest moves that you understand, combined with adhering to steady but not explosive growth in elo points,you most likely end up undetected.

asimpletune 4y ago

The thing is that FIDE isn't really doing anything. This has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, but what they really need to do is take this seriously and hire magicians, GM's, ex-intelligence, etc... to assess the situation and with transparency provide recommendations on how to move forward. If you look at FIDE's statement, they basically said they were made that Magnus did this and they're using "sophisticated" techniques to prevent cheating. I don't think that is a responsible way to act, given that this presents an existential threat to the sport. With today's system, there is no way to get proof of cheating, without catching someone red handed, and there's no way to bring awareness because FIDE is either not interested, incompetent, or both. Also, there might be a lot of cheating in chess, and it could be just an ugly secret that they're protecting.

uup 4y ago
If you look at FIDE’s statement, all they did is ask for a single shred of evidence that Niemann is cheating OTB.
xiphias2 4y ago
It's almost impossible to detect cheating, but it's trivial to statistically find a cheater from many thousands of online games that he has to play online to get to this level.
- me_me_me 4y ago
  > it's trivial to statistically find a cheater from many thousands of online games you assume that cheater is stupid and uses cheats for every move in every game. If you use engine as a crutch to stop you from blundering and suggest moves that you understand, combined with adhering to steady but not explosive growth in elo points,you most likely end up undetected.